Electric Dreams Electric Dreams Electric Dreams Electric Dreams Electric Dreams Electric Dreams Electric Dreams Electric Dreams Volume 5 Issue 3 Electric Dreams Electric Dreams Electric Dreams Electric Dreams Electric Dreams Electric Dreams Electric Dreams Electric Dreams MARCH 1998 Electric Dreams Electric Dreams Electric Dreams Electric Dreams Electric Dreams Electric Dreams Electric Dreams Electric Dreams To subscribe to Electric Dreams Send from the address you want to subscribe to electric-dreams-request@lists.best.com And put in the body of the e-mail only: subscribe your-email To unsubscribe from Electric Dreams Send from the address you want to unsubscribe to electric-dreams-request@lists.best.com And put in the body of the e-mail only: unsubscribe your-email Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z E L E C T R I C D R E A M S Volume 5 Issue #3 28 March 1998 ISSN# 1089 4284 Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z Electric Dreams on the World Wide Web USA www.dreamgate.com/electric-dreams AU www.phys.unsw.edu.au/~mettw/edreams/ Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z -- Send Dreams and Comments on Dreams to: Bob Krumhansl --Send Dreaming News and Calendar Events to: Peggy Coats --Send Articles and Subscription concerns to: Richard Wilkerson: --For back issues, editors addresses and other access & Staff see ELECTRIC DREAMS ACCESS INFORMATION at the end of this issue Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z Download a GREAT COVER for Electric Dreams 5(3) www.phys.unsw.edu.au/~mettw/edreams/home.html Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z C O N T E N T S ++ Editor's Notes ++ Dream Airing: Notes, letters to the editor ++ Column: Dream Trek: Dare To Dream Linda Lane MagallĒn ++ Report: Results of Mutual Dream Survey Julie Keyser ++ Series: Easy Dreams: Making Nightmares Pay (Part II) Anthony Dubetz ++ Article: Dreams and the Lunar Cycle Randy Wasserstrom ++ Column: Divine Messages: Divine Realm Dr. D G L O B A L D R E A M I N G N E W S - Peggy Coats March-April 1998 - Special ASD Report New Events for the Association for the Study of Dreams DREAM SECTION - Bob Krumhansl Editorial, comments on dreams, and dreams, dreams, dreams... See end of issue for Disclaimer and ED Access info XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX APRIL 17, FRI deadline for submission FOR Next Electric Dreams vol 5(4) XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Editor's Notes +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ I'm really proud of you. You dream, you recall your dreams, you may even write them down and tell them to others. These are fabulous and daring tasks. I want to draw on Linda Lane MagallĒn's "Dare To Dream" article this month to tell you that you are the most daring when you tell other people that dreams are of value to you. Our culture is in a dream-closet and every time you value your dreams publically, people take notice and eventually we can all come out. Read Linda's column this month on and go out and tell at least one new person this week that you dream. Last month Tony Dubetz put his dream book online and has the discussion mail list open for chat (ed-core@lists.best.com) Electric Dreams is also publishing this work in parts. This month is part II, The Impression. To make the dream work for you in waking life, you will need a good sense or impression of this dream. Tony will explain this concept and show how to practice and bring this into your waking life. For the full text go to www.dreamgate.com/dream/dubetz/ How many of your have nightmares or mutual dreams? The survey you participated is in and Julie Keyser has the results! This survey, and other research about mutual dreams, shows that sharing dreams with another individual is not only possible, but if we pay attention and discuss our dreams, it may be much more common than we think. Last year we had a full series on astrology an dreams, called dreaming through the houses. SEE Www.dreamgate.com/dream/ed-backissues To get us aligned with the stars once again is Randy Wasserstrom. Randy suggests we look at the current position of the moon in its sign and house in our astrological birthchart, then correlate similar themes from dreams which occur at the same time of this cycle. Through this process of connecting dreams with the cycle of the moon, we can become clearer about our inner patterns and rhythms. Read the full scoop in "Dreams and The Lunar Cycle". Dr. Deus continues his exploration into just how divine our dreams really are with another journey into the wisdom of the path. But this is not a retreat into nostalgia. Dr. D uses readers dreams and relates the dreams to our life and just how sacred it can be. Be sure to take the journey and read the column DIVINE MESSAGES: "DIVINE REALM " The Global Dreaming News will be sent out separately this month, giving us a chance to focus on the events at the Association for the Study of Dreams. Be sure to read the News! I had the wonderful opportunity to meet Bob Krumhansl, the Dream Editor for Electric Dreams in offine reality this last month in San Francisco. We went up to the Dream Library and Archive and met with some other famous dreamworkers and I had a fabulous time. Bob still had time to fly home and get the dream section done for you and it is just wonderful. Be sure to read his dream editorial and pick up what is going on in the Dream Section! Finally, be sure to read through the notes to the editor. There are a couple of research requests I'd like you to respond to if possible and some information on how to join an online dream group or discussion. Get those dream journals out and look for dreams of fish, wolves, cats and salamanders that you would be willing to have published! Dare to Dream, Richard Wilkerson rcwilk@aol.com +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Dream Airing Notes, letters to the editor Send to rcwilk@aolcom +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ From Pat: Have you had dreams about: Fish, worms, salamanders, cats, wolves? If so, I would like to include them in my next book! You can have our name or pen name in the book. Please send 1. Dream 2. What you feel it means 3. A little life context, who you are, what's going on. Sent dream and info to Pat at fish@dreamgate.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Subj: Recherches Date:98-03-09 13:37:29 EST From:Mg-cibard@classic.msn.com (Marc Gerald cibard) To:rcwilk@aol.com Cher Monsieur Je recherches le livre suivant I am loking for the book : Studies in dream ARNOLD-FORSTER Mary N.Y. 1921 Merci, sincerement Thanks, Sincerely mg-cibard@classic.msn.com SUBMITTING NEWS and Calendar events related to dreaming. We usually have a deadline at the 15th of each month. Send all events and news to Peggy Coats SENDING IN QUESTIONS, Replies and Concerns about dreams and dreaming. We don't pretend to be the final authority on dreams, but we will submit you questions to our network and other Internet networks. Also, you are free to post special interest requests. Send those to Victoria Quinton <> JOINING DREAM GROUPS sponsored by Electric Dreams. If you are interested in joining a group to discuss your dream with peers, contact Linley Joy maidai@webplus.co.uk JOINING DISCUSSIONS ON DREAMING. Electric Dreams supports the Intuition Network and recommends their discussion list dreams@intuition.org Subscription information can be found on www.intuition.org Attach your own web page to Electric Dreams. Do you have an idea for a dream page, but no web site? Send that page to Matthew Parry. If you need help with creating the web page, contact Matthew for about classes. =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= DREAM TREK By Linda Lane MagallĒn Dare To Dream =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Towards the end of my tenure as editor of *Dream Network Bulletin,* a reader wrote me a puzzled letter. Why, he asked, did I use the subtitle "A Newsletter For People Who Dare To Dream"? How could someone "dare to dream?" he wondered. Wasn't dreaming a natural process? Yes, it's a natural process. No, this is not a dream-friendly world. I think we dreamers dare to dream in three ways: We dare to be known as dreamers in public We dare to dream as an active verb We dare to be optimists There are still folks in the logical Western world who believe that dreams are frivolous, but they usually can be dissuaded when you pay attention to THEIR dreams. It also helps to have a few thoughtful examples in your repertoire. And your own enthusiasm and sense of humor goes a long way to make for a comfortable encounter with a skeptic. Unfortunately, as with any subject that's not well known, fear can be an obstacle to discussion. I have been ignored, curtly dismissed, warned, ridiculed and threatened because people can believe certain types of dreams to be spiritually or psychologically bad for you. This especially applies to proactive dreaming. Some people equate lucidity with dream control (it isn't the same). Others believe that even to mention the word "psychic" is equivalent to opening up Pandora's box (it most certainly doesn't have to be). And the intimacy of mutual dreaming brings its own set of concerns. Once I was called a name in print because I "dared" to suggest that instead of collecting studies of worst case scenarios, it might be wiser to look for cases where proactive dreaming was successful. No, I wasn't advocating that we repress the shadow. I was advocating for a better balanced point of view. I "dared" think that folks who had figured out how to go all the way through the valley of shadow and emerge hale and hardy on the other side would be in the best position to advise those who were running into obstacles. I was suggesting that instead of stirring up a cyclone of worries and concerns, we get off our duffs and go look for the answers to our conflicts. If this proactive stance to problem solving is being too optimistic, then please call me an optimist. I'm optimistic enough to think that someday the general public (and the dreaming community!) will be better informed about dreams. Geeze, maybe someday I can even make a living from this. Or is that too much like dreamin'? How do you dare to dream? CaseyFlyer@aol.com http://members.aol.com/caseyflyer/fbnc/fbnc01.htm (Fly-By-Night Club) http://members.aol.com/dreampsi/archive/index.htm (DreamPSI Archive) +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Results of Mutual Dream Survey by Julie Keyser +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Dream participants: 35 total: 10 male 25 female Ages:2 age 61 age 284 age 40 1 age 491 age 78 1 age 192 age 352 age 421 age 52 1 age 232 age 361 age 432 age 67 3 age 242 age 382 age 451 age 69 3 age 271 age 391 age 461 age 77 Marital Status: 10 single 2 single/living with someone 2 engaged 18 married 3 widowed Occupations: 5 homemakers 1 computer programmer 1 in customer service 1 advertising buyer 1 private employee 1 sleep lab technician 5 self-employed -various jobs 1 Accts. Rec. for physican 1 writer 1 electronic engineer 4 unemployed 1 pastor 1 security guard 1 advancement researcher 3 teachers 1 beautician 1 secretary 1 manager of administrations 1 county employee 1 art consultant 1 office worker 1 retired (2 included in the above list are also retired) Education: 2 elementary students 13 high school graduates 4 some college 2 technical college graduates 5 college graduates 2 undergraduate degrees 7 college and graduate school degrees Number of Children: 13 have no children 5 have 1 child 10 have 2 children 5 have 3 children 1 has 4 children 1 has 5 children #9 Number that keep dream journals: 10 (3 of them said only occasionally) #10 Who do they discuss dreams with: (mutiple answers possible) 2 spouse3 significant other 17 family10 friends 2 co-workers1 parents (both) 3 mother2 twin 1 children1 roommate 1 internet groups1 whoever will listen #11 Sleep disorders: 8 said they talk in their sleep, but 3 of them wouldn't call that a disorder 5 suffer from occasional insomnia and 1 says "once in a blue moon will 'act up' in dreams" #12 Remembering Dreams: 28 said yes, if ----------------------------------------------------------------- not every night 7 insisted they don't remember their dreams #13 Participant/Observer 22 participants 2 unsure 11 sometimes a participant, sometimes an observer No one said they always only observed in their dreams #14 Me, myself and I - vs.- I can be others too. 21 are just themselves in dreams (one indicated to be different ages however) 2 are unsure 12 can be either themselves or others (one indicated to also be animals in a dream) #15 Know others thoughts in addition to your own in a dream? 14 say yes, although not in every dream 2 are unsure 19 say no #16 Re-occurring dreams: 28 have them 7 don't #17 Only 4 have frequent nightmares, (one indicated they were extreme and one indicated they occurred more during childhood) 31 are rarely bothered by nightmares #18 Had telepathic experiences? 22 say yes 2 said maybe 1 didn't answer 10 say no #19 If yes to answer #18, what is your relationship to the person you connected with? (multiple answers possible) 5 spouse3 significant other 7 mother2 father 1 sister2 twin 3 daughter1 children 2 family6 friends 2 co-workers1 people with close relationships 1 enemy (which still indicates emotional closeness) and only 2 said they've had telepathic experiences with people not particularly close to them. #20 Bodily functions interrupting dreams? Happens to almost everyone. 29 said yes 2 didn't answer 4 say that's never happened #21 Other things bothering sleep - sounds, smells, etc.? 26 said yes 2 no answer 7 say no - must be deep sleepers. (Wonder if they're frequently late for work?!) :) #22 Seeing the future? 11 have had dream premonitions (of those 11: 3 indicated having several 1 indicated only 1 and 7 said they only have dream premonitions occasionally) 3 were unsure 2 didn't answer 19 said no #23 Mutual dreams: 9 have experienced shared dreams. Of those: 1 dreamer indicated the dreams occurred years apart (without prior knowledge) 2 experienced a shared dream with their twin 1 dream shared between a mother and daughter was also precognitive #24 Who they experienced shared dreams with: (multiple answers possible) 1 lover2 twin 1 people close to me2 daughter 3 mother3 father 1 stranger - this dreamer had a precognitive dream that he/she took steps to bring about. The person in the dream also shared the dream experience. They were unknown to each other before this. #25 Psi experiences occur for dreamers: These experiences ranged from twice a week to once in a lifetime 6 said rarely Others say: once a yearonce a month twice in 36 yearstwice a week once in 6 monthsonce a week once in 60 years #27 Everyone gave permission to use their submissions. 6 wanted credit for specific quotes, although 2 indicated credit by first name only 21 wanted to remain anonymous, and 8 left the decision up to me. I chose to keep everyone anonymous for 'this' survey. The shared experiences were all unique and very interesting. Some participants of this survey indicated that they didn't pay enough attention to their dreams nor did they discuss their dreams enough with others to establish whether they'd experienced mutual dreams or not. 14 of the participants are regulars of dream groups or lists on-line. What do these statistics signify? - that most mutual dreams occur to 40-year-old married women homemakers who have no children and a high school education? Hardly. But the survey does suggest that we may all have more psychic abilities than we give ourselves credit for. We come from all walks of life, all age groups, and all educational levels. There were close correlations between the number of those who had shared dreams and the number of participants keeping dream journals - but comparing them individually, there was not a significant connection. Mutual dreams tend to occur between close relations, spouses, parents and children, close friends - however, as some of the answers indicate, a few of the dreamers responding to this survey also relate mutual or shared dreams with others not so close to them, and one was with someone unknown. The biggest problem with documenting shared dreams occurs when people don't discuss their dreams. But the added problem lies within the fact that when dreams are discussed, we rarely share them with strangers. This is where dream groups on-line have made breakthroughs. In addition to the participants of this survey, several examples of mutual dreams were recorded by people unknown to me, at various dream sites. I have no doubt the numbers will increase. These dreamers are otherwise anonymous, except where one can glean tidbits of information from their postings. I must mention since many people asked, that question #20 about bodily functions awakening people, was included as a hint at lucidity. In my own experiences, my 'only' lucid dreams occur when I'm telling myself in a dream, "You're dreaming, wake up and go to the bathroom!" Since my interests lie with shared dreaming, I didn't pursue this too deeply. This survey, and other research about mutual dreams, shows that sharing dreams with another individual is not only possible, but if we pay attention and discuss our dreams, it may be much more common than we think. I wish to extend my appreciation again to all the dreamers. May you continue to share sweet dreams! Thank you, Julie Keyser keyser@mwt.net +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Easy Dreams: Making Nightmares Pay (Part II) by Anthony Dubetz +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Its just around the corner and you have no place to hide. It knows where you are, follows you relentlessly and reads your mind. eeeek! And then you wake up. It was a nightmare and now you really would like to talk to someone. Who to Call? Anthony Dubetz, author of EASY DREAMS has a special phone line just for you! the Dream Hot line in Chicago (312) 589-2471 has been helping those puzzled by dreams for several years. "the Main thing is what your think about your dream", he says, " That is, what you must eliminate the next day." Overused parts of the personality leave other parts neglected. "Maybe your dream is actually telling you that you've reached a burn-out level in your personality. the dream might be getting a little scarier every day - it may be shouting at you." Now Anthony is making his dream wisdom available to readers of Electric Dreams and will be online answering questions about ideas and particular dreams on the ed-core mail list. If you would like to see the whole text complete, 1. you can get Tony's text, _Easy Dreams- Making Nightmares Pay_, a 41 page booklet fully explaining The Dream Hot-Line method available for $6.00 send to Anthony Dubetz, P.O. Box 34934, Chicago IL 60634 2. Or visit his site at www.dreamgate.com/dream/dubetz/ 3. Or keep reading Electric Dreams over the next few months! Note: Page numbers kept in place that correspond to the Printed book. Re-print permission by Anthony Dubetz. For PART I: refer to the above or Electric Dreams vol 3 # 2 Feb ---------------------------------------------------------------- Easy Dreams: Making Nightmares Pay : You're out of your element. That's what we believe happens in a dream. Part of your soul, spirit, aura, etc. leaves your body (element) while you sleep and interacts with the collective spirit of your environment. The part that leaves is your weakest part. Therefore, when you see it you've got a good idea of what you should avoid becoming when you wake up. If you can avoid becoming like your weakness, you will be strong. Also, your dream travels ahead in time toward the direction of your momentum. Because of this you have at least 24 hours notice of your own future. The next day you will be in for a close encounter with that future. Remain the way you were in your dream and that encounter will be deja vu. Now that you know why we recommend you avoid becoming like your dream but instead remain the way you were in your dream, you're ready to read the method. When you've discovered your dream's momentum and you'd prefer to travel your own path instead, I've personally taken to trying the path out to the right or left of my dream's geographical location (from where I dreamt the dream.) For example, if my dream was of a place North of where I slept, I find myself feeling stronger to the East or West. Good deja vu to you and pleasant dreams. ----------------------------------------------------------------- See part I www.dreamgate.com/dream/dubetz/ or Electric Dreams vol 3 # 2 Feb --------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ 15 II. The Impression Now that you've got a pretty good idea of what the middle of your dream looks like and you have found that middle in a number of examples with my help and on your own, here is step II, the dreamer's impression of the middle. Supposing a symbol of the middle in your dream were a door. A door by definition is a passageway between two areas. But now suppose the door is locked; you can't find your key; there's no one home to let you in and you can hear your phone ringing! You know it's an important call you've been expecting. Look through the window. See your keys there on the floor near the door? Great! You found your keys but they're on the wrong side of the door. You pound the door with your fist as the last telephone ring becomes a memory. Now that door is a middle symbol because it separates what you want from where you are. It also creates the strongest impression. The door is more than just a passage between two areas. It's an obstacle to an important telephone communication. The door has become a subjective impression, OBSTACLE. Only by remembering how you felt about it when you dreamt about it can you properly evaluate the impression you will need for step two. What was that impression of the door while you were dreaming it? Do you remember? What a damnable obstacle. That impression is what step two is all about. Once you've a wakened you can be influenced by your surroundings and not the dream. The middle symbol then is like a fish out of water. What you thought about the middle in its own real ity, dream reality, is what's important. That's the impression you look for. Example: I dreamt I felt blood on my hand and realized I had been shot in the head. I can't see the gunman and I feel no pain. What is the middle symbol? Is it the blood, the 16 gunman, or the shot? What do you choose? The middle symbol is the blood. It holds the gunman and the wound in common and also creates the strongest impression. What now was the dreamer's impression of the blood? The impression, if you choose correctly, is "it's no real pain." It's no real pain; that's what the dreamer thought of the blood when he realized he was bleeding. Try an other example. I'm watching my father milk a cow when the farmer whom he works for and who owns the cow starts shouting at my father, telling him his work is not good enough to keep him around. You think the work is fine and can't see any justi- fication for the farmer's inter- ference. Awake. What is the dreamer's impression of the middle? Think about it. First find the middle. Isn't it the farmer? He hold the father and the cow in common and creates the strongest impression. What then is the impression the dreamer had of the middle, the farmer? The impression in then interfering. Are you beginning to catch on? How about this one? I am standing in the deserted ruins of a city all alone. The ruins are all around me end- lessly in every direction. I must walk them alone. To interpret this dream you must find the middle and the dreamer's impression of it. Take your time. How did you do? Did you pick the ruins for the middle? All di- rections were mentioned and what held them in common? It was ruin. The ruin of the place seemed to create the strongest impression for this dreamer. His impression of the ruins of the city was what? Read the dream again. His 17 impression was, "I must walk them alone." The ruins im pressed him, the dreamer, with loneliness. Loneliness is the impression in this dream. What impression is given about the middle of this dream? The dreamer is in a field watch- deer grazing and they look peace- ful, and this makes the dreamer feel happy. So he decides to leave well enough alone, turns around and walks away. The deer then show their teeth and turn on him. They surround and attack him and tear at his flesh. The dreamer is confused and hurt. This dream seems to be filled with impressions. Which one is the one we are looking for? It's the impression of the middle of the dream of course. We have in this dream a great change of moods from peaceful grazing deer to at- tacking man-eating deer. What happened in the middle of these of these two different moods? Try to remember. The dreamer decided to leave the deer alone, thinking their mood was so good he would certainly not want to stay any long er for he might scare them or distract them. He said leave well enough alone. He turned around, and so did the mood of the dream and the deer in it. This turning around was the middle of the dream. The dreamer turned around thinking well enough should be left alone. That's the impression we want. The impression of well enough was that it should be "left alone." "Left alone" is as crystallized as we can make the impression. Are you beginning to see how we must choose the proper impression of the middle? Keep prac ticing with two in a row now. I'll save my comments till aft- er the second dream has been read. Try it alone for now. I. I dreamed I saw a cat who had 18 a clutching grip on my arm and wouldn't let go. II. I dreamed I saw a brown atta- ché case open with two com partments inside. I thought the case was very nice but nothing special." What were the two impressions these dreams gave? First choose the middle and then decide what the dream er's impression of the middle was. Did you try to use the dreamer's exact words in describing the middles? That is always the easiest way to describe the middle's im . pression. Use the dreamer's own words. Using the dreamer's own words gets the dreamer more deeply in volved with the interpretation, and after all, it is his or her dream, isn't it? In dream number one we had a cat with a clutching grip that wouldn't let go. The difference between the cat's arm and the dreamer's arm was the grip. The grip is the middle symbol here and the impression of that grip was that it was clutching and wouldn't let go. "Clutching" is the impression. Is that what you chose? In dream number two we had an attachÄ case with two compartments inside. The whole case was the middle symbol because it held two different compart ments inside together in common. The dreamer thought that this case was very nice but "nothing special." "No thing special" is the impression. How did you do? - I dreamed I was in an adult education class at a night school. I had my admittance card to class. The class was very crowded and after the teacher called the names I want- ed him to know he forgot my name. I tried to show him my admittance card but he didn't seem to pay it any mind. I thought to myself, "This card 19 should have been good enough." I won't tell you my choice for impression of the middle in the dream I just related, but I will tell you the middle was the admittance card. You decide what the impres- sion of that card was. Remember, let the dreamer give you the answer. Here are three dreams in a row. This time, as you did in chapter one, commit your decision as to what the im pressions of these dreams are by actually writing them down either in the book or on a separate paper. Make your choices carefully. I. I dreamt I went back to my old neighborhood to say goodbye to everyone. I went from place to place wanting to see the old gang whom I had good times with. It was snowing all the while and it was slowing me down and hin- dering my going from place to place. II. I dreamt I was turning off the kitchen light and closing the door with a key. All of a sudden I felt something open the door and I fell to the kitchen floor. There was no one in the room. My family came in and wouldn't believe what happened. Later on my sister saw the kitchen door close and believed me. She asked me how I was going to sleep and I told her I didn't know. "Put on your gear," she said, and I woke up scared. 20 III. I dreamt there was a corridor leading from a street to a cave. People who entered the corridor vanished and I knew they were destroyed. Were you able to find the impressions of the middle symbols in those three dreams? Did you write them down or are you going to trust your memory? Very well. Here are my choices. Compare yours to see how close we are thinking. In dream number one, the dreamer was saying goodbye to his old neighborhood going from house to house. From house to house tells me there is a place between these houses. That is where we should look for the middle sym bol. The dreamer said there was something between his trips. Remember the snow? The snow is the middle sym bol. The impression it gave our dreamer was that it slowed him down; it hindered him. The impression of dream num ber one is therefore hindrance. Is that the choice you made? In dream number two, the dreamer was about to close a door when something opened the door causing the dream er to fall in a faint to the floor. Her family didn't believe the story but when the door closed her sister believed her and told her to get away. The symbol between people be lieving her and not believing her was what opened and closed the door. That symbol is the middle. The impres sion that middle symbol gave was one of fear. The im pression of the middle symbol scared the dreamer into a faint and scared her into awakening. The impression therefore in dream two is, scary. What was your choice? In the last dream of this series, dream number three, a corridor between a street and a cave should immediately strike you as the middle symbol. Any description of be tweenness is your signal that this is the middle symbol. Now, what did the dreamer get from this corridor? He got the impression that the corridor was destroying people. The impression in dream number three is "de stroying." The three impressions of these dreams were: I. hindrance, II. scary, and III. destroying. Did your choices for impressions compare with mine in any way? 21 Two out of three isn't bad. If you didn't do as well as you thought you should have, don't be discouraged. There are many more examples we can do together and still some examples you can try on your own. In every dream you dream yourself you should be trying to find the middle and your impression of it. Remember, if you are going to or already have tried this method on a friend's dream, your friend's impression of the middle is what you want, not yours. Every dream is a personal message and only the dreamer's impression of the middle symbol is important. Here's an easy one. I saw my brother's twin babies change to grown children before my very eyes. I was worried about this. The change is what is between the babies and the children. The dreamer was worried about this change. The impression is worrisome. Try the following dream all by yourself and I'll give you a clue. It's not the lady in the dream, but something about her. She was about twenty-two and plump, not fleshy, not fat, but merely rounded and not bad look- ing. She had on only one piece of clothing. A very long shirt like a night shirt. It was coarse. Do you think you figured that one out? Of course it wasn't hard. This one might be, though. I saw a snowy desert with a yellow strip of hardly distinguish- able road stretched across it and on this road marched an empty : pair of boots. The following dream was dreamt by a boy with a 22 crush on an older woman who unfortunately died in a drowning accident. I saw her in the earth where she had been now for years. Her dress had rotted away. Shreds of cloth merged with dry bones while the strand of hair that used to slip down over her cheek was stuck fast to her skull. We have here an image of a woman, but something on her person is the middle symbol. Can you figure it? Shreds of cloth merged with dry bones. Between the cloth and the bone was a mergin. Between her hair and her skull was a sticking fast. These are the impressions we need to know: merging, sticking. That was a tricky one, wasn't it? The next dream is pretty straight for ward. I'm in a prison break and me and my fellow prisoners take a guard hostage. We got the son of a bitch but he won't talk to the police outside to negotiate a deal. He just grits his teeth and smiles smugly. The hostage is the middle because he is the go-between for the prisoners and the police. The impression he gives is one of smugness. That is what we want, the word smugness. That's the impression. ----------------- end part II ------------------ NEXT month Part III: The Message. Every single dream has an important message. Moreover, if you don't get the message your dream will make itself more and more evident by recurring or becoming alarming. Your dream may even try to frighten you to get your attention. Next Month Tony will show you how to read these messages and improve your life. Can't Wait? You can get the full text at www.dreamgate.com/dream/dubetz/ AND you can join us online to discuss these and other dream topics. To subscribe to ed-core and discuss dreams with Tony, send To: ed-core-request@lists.best.com In the body of your email put only subscribe your-email =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Dreams and The Lunar Cycle Randy Wasserstrom =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Reprinted by permission of Randy Wasserstrom from a previous printing in Innerchange, a NC, USA. new age journal: Dreams and astrological symbols show us the same themes - demonstrating how that the psyche is an undivided whole from we draw our wisdom. Dreams are most directly connected to the lunar cycle- the most immediate of the astrological rhythms. By looking at the current position of the moon in its sign and house in our astrological birthchart, we can correlate similar themes from dreams which occur at the same time of this cycle. Through this process of connecting dreams with the cycle of the moon, we can become clearer about our inner patterns and rhythms. Moon in Sagittarius, 7th house, 2-2-97 I'm at a small gathering honoring Jimmy Stewart. It's outside in someone's back yard at night. I think it's a guy hosting the event. There's maybe 10-15 people there. A younger Jimmy Stewart seems to be there and later the older, current Jimmy shows up and the host is going to introduce me but he never does. At one point, there's dancing and I envy the people dancing because of their free-spiritedness. This is one of my dreams which illustrates the dream/lunar cycle connection. In this dream, the theme is that of *free spiritedness*, which is also reflected by the moon in the sign of Sagittarius - the astrological sign which has the same meaning. Additionally, the moon is my seventh house in my personal astrological birthchart and this is the house of relationships. So another dimension to the dream and to the lunar cycle is that I am seeking free spiritedness in relationships. Here is another example: Moon in Cancer, 3rd house ,10-31-96, I am riding a bike on a road at night and Jay Leno comes up on my left, also riding a bike. Both of us are whizzing along above the ground. To my right is a vista of the sky. I see a full moon flash across it -- very powerful and dramatic. Then I look again and see the full moon turn into the sun against a bright blue sky. Very powerful. This dream has that lunar feel- very emotional, personal and intuitive. Just the description of moon in cancer. The full moon itself is a literal symbol of the moon and the lunar cycle. This is also a "message" dream in that I'm getting a message about my life through the metaphors of the moon, sun and sky. Also, this dream is about transformation, new beginnings. Messages are represented by the third house (house of information) in my astrological birthchart. And another example: Moon in Aries, 11th house. 1-14-97. I am with a female friend/mentor in Israel. We are going over the family history book I am about to publish by experiencing the actual places of my family history. At one point, we reach a crossroads of a country road and she playfully takes my arm and starts dancing. I am startled. This dream has that action-oriented, experimental feel which is characteristic of aries. We are on an adventure - risking and challenging and the passion and spontaneity of aries is shown in the last scene with the dancing. The moon is also in my 11th house of friendships and I am with an inspirational friend (aries) who in waking life also sparks me to write this book. In each of these examples then, we can see the connection between dreams and the lunar cycle as mirrors of the psyche and its current themes. These themes are reflecting back to us what we are learning at the moment and over time. Dreams and astrological symbols are presenting to us the same themes - showing that the psyche is composed of multiple aspects. Randy Wasserstrom is a professional astrologer and tarot counselor in Raleigh. He offers birthcharts, current events and relationships and also teaches classes on astrological subjects. He can be reached at randwass@aol.com Thanks! Randy +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ DIVINE MESSAGES COLUMN: " DIVINE REALM " Dr. D +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Dear Fellow Dreamers, having noticed that many of you are totally lost, in my point of view in the dream realm, mainly because you have been misguided by quite uninspired persons such as Jung and Freud and possibly other blind teachers, I thought that you may find it interesting to shed a bit of light in this presently shady field. Actually, I find it rather interesting to realize that the so-called intellectual elites of a so-called advanced civilization... know much less about dreams than the average tribal so-called "savages" of so-called primitive societies of the jungles of Australia, Africa and South-America! These all know, that dreams occurred when the soul, momentarily separated from the body and can enter in direct communication with spirits of the ancestors, ghosts of the deads and gods. OK! the Knowledge of the Ancient Wisdom... has been around for tens of thousands of years and all the Old Civilizations have known the secrets of the Other World.... which we regularly visit in Dreams.... which is the Key #1 to the good understanding of the messages enclosed in them. For instance, the Celts firmly believed, that the Sidh, the Other World, which the Irish people still call as such this invisible world of the Fairies, ("ban shee", Bean Sidhe = Fairy Woman), or the Sidhe, in general, which are the inhabitants of the Spiritual World, and this World itself, manifest themselves to the living flesh beings in the concrete reality of dreams... as stated by so many who also knew ...like the Prophet Mohammed, for instance. " Now Allah has created the dream not only as a means of guidance and instruction, I refer to the true dream, but he has made it as a Window on the World of the Unseen. " Now, this is very simple to understand, and goes perfectly well along with other inspiring words which hold other keys... in regards to the correct understanding of this realm.... " And He said, " Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I , the Lord, will make Myself known to him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream." Words of the Lord of the Universe revealed to Moses, Aaron and Miriam.... and preserved in Numbers 12.6 ...and realize that God himself speaks into the dreams of everyone, even his own.... " He, who does not believe in the true dream, does not believe in Allah nor in the Day of Reckoning." (Most important words of Mohammed.) ------------------------------------------------- " For the Days of the Lord are coming..... . And it shall come to pass afterward, saith God, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions. Even on my servants and handmaidens I will pour out, in those days, my Spirit; and they shall prophesy." Words of the Lord himself revealed to the prophet Joël preserved in Joël 2.28-30 in the Old Testament and, due to their crucial importance, repeated in the New Testament in Acts 2.16-18. ......... so what he says simply means that since people will prophesy, that people of the whole earth will get to be able to interpret their own dreams.... because they will receive teachings from the #1 Interpreter... as stated, by Joseph, in Genesis 40,8, in reply to the cupbearer and baker of the Pharaoh....who could not find anyone to interpret their dreams. " Do not dreams' interpretations belong to God? Tell me you dreams." Oh! I understand that for poor materialistic mortals that this will sound totally ridiculous... but that is the way that it works, and to illustrate, let me show you with some concrete examples, the applied science of the art of dream interpretation. As an introduction, let's take the dream of... Victoria Quinton Subject: "She'll be apples" dream Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 "During the late afternoon, I was walking with my family around our orchard full of apple trees laden with ripe fruit. We were staying in the country, at my father's "estate". The saxaphone player from INXS was with us for the evening meal. He seemed a sad man who didn't know his own value. We were all avoiding the issue of Michael Hutchence, whose ghost I could see behind him." ...which is quite an interesting dream, because this orchard of Apples, just happens to be the Garden of the Hesperides, a fabulous garden located at the extremities of the Occident, which was visited by many, one of which was Hercules, in one of his twelve famous laborious exploits. Interestingly, Victoria, says that this Orchard belongs to her father, but in the universal realm of dreams this Garden is the property of our Heavenly Father. Also, for your kind info, the word Apple is derived from Apollo, the legendary Immortal Greek God of Knowledge, another Rider of Pegasus. So, you could say that you are in the Celestial Garden of Apollo! Surprisingly, in this dream, there are the Ghosts of the Livings such as the ones of Victoria, herself, and also of Kirk Pengilly, the saxopnonist of INXS, and also of departed Michael K. Hutchence, the lead singer of the world renowned group, who hanged himself on November 27th 1997. Strangely enough, the last INXS album was entitled "Elegantly Wasted" and contained songs like..." Don't Lose Your Head"... "I'm Just A Man"... "Searching"..."Everything" and "Show Me"..."Girl of Fire" and "Shake The Tree"! Just to say that, the inspiration was quite profound. In any case, the interesting fact is to realize that in the dream realm, ghosts of the Living meet with ghosts of the Departed and this is exposed in the story of Herakles/Hercules in which he had to fight many antagonists before he was able to cross the Sea in the boat or chariot of the Sun-God and finally reached the Hesperides, where he had to slay the Dragon "Ladon", who was guarding the entrance to the Garden of the Apples of Gold. Then, shaking the Tree, he gathered the Apples of immortality and ended up giving them to the ghost of Athena, one of his own ghosts of his previous human incarnation, as she had also flown on Pegasus, the Chariot of the Sun-God, ...and she, in turn, simply put them back where they were before... just in case someone would come and need to pick them up in the future. There is another version of this story, in which it is said that Atlas, helped Heracles in his enterprise. It was agreed between them that Hercules would charge himself of supporting the world on his shoulders, while Atlas would go and pick the Apples... the fruits of Tree of Life of Apollo. Anyways, this is just a rapid interpretation to show you that we remain after death, in an immortal spiritual form, analogous and exactly identical to your own material form...whether you like it or not! Actually talking about them, Christianism is the only religion which does not conceived that the souls after death would have a body to live in, although the Apostles, who having seen the Holy Ghosts of Jesus spoke about them ghostly celestial bodies... like Paul, to the Corinthians... for example. And look, this is nothing new, and you can read about them Imperishable Celestial Resurrection Bodies in 1 Corinthians 15, 35 to 55... " But someone may ask, " How are the Deads raised? With what kind of body will they come?" "How foolish! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies." "So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable... it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body." "So, it is written: "The first man Adam was a living being, and the last Adam, a life-giving Spirit." The spiritual did not come first, but the natural did, and after that the spiritual. The first man was from the dust of the earth, the second man from Heaven." " I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God...." " Listen, I tell you a Mystery: We will not all sleep, (...some will awake...) but we will all be changed - in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet." " For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed." " When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that was written will come true : "Death has been swallowed up in Victory!" Therefore, Victoria, I think that you missed a wonderful opportunity, you should have gone to Michael and asked him to sing a wonderful song for you all... and other Celestial Musicians would have followed....like Janis (Joplin)... Freddy (Mercury)... John (Lennon)... and Elvis...doing vocals... along with Jimmy (Hendrix)...and Brian (Jones) on Citar...and so many others, that you believe to be dead, mixing their heavenly inspired music with the Living Deads.. and playing "Beetlejuice"! And, of course, all of this, under the careful super-vision of Lord Krishna, one of the famous Immortal Winged-Horse Rider, orchestrating, once again the philharmony of the Celestial Song... the Bhagavad-Gita. "Having pervaded the Universe with a part of myself, I remain!" So, will it be for you all, after you die, you will all be transformed into immortal ghosts, which will appear in dreams, to humans in the future, possibly to your own future incarnations, nothing to be afraid of, nor try to avoid... as these "Ripe Gold Dreamland Ghost Apples" are our greatest rewards... " Do not be afraid, Abraham, I am your shield and your very great reward." said the Lord to Abraham in a vision of the night, as reported in Genesis 15.1 ....because they are our Promised Resurrection Bodies which will dwell for eternity in the Promised Land, and the time of Harvest is drawing near! Now, do you see Victoria... you have to care for ghosts and your after-life Ghostly Health.... "Thou shalt understand that it is a Science most profitable, and passing all other sciences, for to learn to die. .... I shall give thee the Mystery of this Doctrine ; the which shall profit thee greatly to the beginning of Ghostly Health, and to a stable fondament of all virtues." (Orologium Sapientiae- from "The Book of the Craft of Dying" ... Comper's Edition) In the same trend, let me now, carry on this expose with the interpretations of the equally excellent dreams of Barbro Nygren... a very inspired dreamer from Sweden.... and you will see that we don't just get to meet fresh departed musicians but other well known figures from the remote past. Dream 1 "Meet the stone people, their village was shaped as an circle and in verge of this circle there was statues and sculptures that changed itself when I turned me around in the circle. Lizards, turtles and statues of women in black. The people didn't want to have worldly things into their society, so I have to leave my belongings in a stone, outside a gate. That was a drawingpad, water-colours, brushes and a pocket book. I thought hitchhike back. What's interesting in this dream are that the statues is moving, I had a previous dream where the statues was stiffed." In my point of view, you are in Heaven, because you had to leave your worldly possession out there by the Gate....as we don't bring nothing there except our souls, our minds, our animas, but here in the Celtic or Germanic part of Heaven... because the way things are arranged in this circular fashion, but yet, having not seen them "Stones" because they have depending on the regions different symbols, such as stars, spirals, and primitive letters, like the 19 S's of the name of Thor...I can only say that they are " Stones of Remembrance"... which can still be found in Ireland, Britain, Spain, Gaul and in Scandinavia... mainly in Sweden!...and which were usually called "Menhirs", "Dolmens" or "Runeic Stones" or simply "Runes"... but, still, I presume that you were in the Teutonic or Scandinavian Heavens... because of your present vicinity. Regardless, you were asked to leave your most precious belongings... which are your relics...that were a drawingpad, water-colours, brushes and a pocket book...indicating that you were a painter and a writer... in those days, and as I said earlier that Statues would walk and talk, Paintings would come alive, History would come back to life... your dream of them stiff Statues which begin to move...is reminiscent of that nature. I just happen to have others in this category... but we are short of space at the moment. Now, these Statues are no common mortal statues, they usually are Gods and Goddesses of the Past, which were immortalized as such, and in their days all we had at our disposal to preserve the memory of our testimonies for thousands of years were simply chisels to carve the rock,... brushes to paint,... pencils to write... and we did what we could to illustrate the fruits of our precious knowledge and landmarks in this field of dreams relating to the Liberation of our Souls...which came from the powerful knowledge in regards to our previous lives! How do you want to claim of the immortality of the soul otherwise? Anyways, in our Times and turn of Ages, it was prophesied by many that the gods would come back and walk again, one more time, among men ...as stated by all the Prophets...and preserved in the prophecies contained in all the Holy Scriptures around the World.... even Nostradamus 1,91- Les Dieux feront aux humains apparence. Ce qu'ils seront autheurs de grand conflit. 1,91- The Gods will make to humans appearance. The Authors of a great conflict they will be. 2,13- Le corps sans ame plus n'estre en sacrifice, Jour de la mort mis en nativite: L'Esprit divin fera l'ame felice, Voyant le Verbe en son eternite. 2,13- The body without soul, no more is in sacrifice, On the Day of Death, put in Nativity. The Divine Spirit will put the soul in bliss, Seeing the Verb in his Eternity. In any case, dear Barbro, your name is somewhere written in the language of the Runes... and since you are a Daughter of the Sun... I think that you will be able to recognize what you wrote in the past,...on one of them placed in circle "Runic Stones" of possibly Roek, Lund (Forest) or even Haelsingland...in Sweden, as these are your "Time Stepping Stones". Now, the Turtle...or Tortoise... is the symbol of longevity which has been exposed, for example by the Immortal Chinese Lord of Longevity... T'cheou-Hsing... who is one of the 3 Gods of Happiness...3 historical personages which were deified after their mortal deaths. He is always accompanied by a Turtle and a Pine Tree. According to Chinese Mythology, this Lord of Longetivity, decides upon the time of death of each individual, which he writes in advance on his tablets of the Celestial Records. (Encyclopedia of Mythology) And to tell you honestly, at the time of the Tertiary... the light was also shining, but it was a primitive struggle between the slow rock form and the fast human form... and since humans were not yet created... in those days, God assumed the form of a Turtle, as exposed in the Rig-Vedas.... and other places and was known as the Tortoise Avatara, the second of all Avatars of Vishnu.... following the Fish Avatara. In this incarnation of Vishnu, in order to save the World, he took the form of a giant Turtle and got underneath the Mandara Mountain which was sinking into the sea. is huge back served as a base on which the Mountain could pivot. Out of the churning of the Ocean, came the Nectar that brought immortality and power to the Gods. (Iconography of Hindus, Buddhist and Jains, p.29) Would you like me to call Darwin? The Lizard... is coming after... and Barbro, if you need a ride back, don't worry if you decide to hitch-hike because I go back and forth everyday on my Winged-Horse and will be pleased to pick you up anytime. Dream 2. "I searches after the eternal stone, the eternal city, the universe, the eternal diamond. Searches in a wild hunting at all the places I have been on and lived at. Undefinable dangers as all along cheats, entices and misleads. When I at last find the sparkling diamond and senses and views it in my palm, I see the gateway to the unknown, but I also want that my companion shall follow with. It's a summer evening. The companion is a monk but with its hood latent over his face and he comes walking, far, far away in the fields. I jump up and down, yells at the monk "hurry on". But the monk displays no hurry." OK! this is the good stone... the Stone of the foundation of the eternal city.... of the universe ... the eternal diamond. So many Dangers, Entices and Misleads... the present world! But, finally the Jewel... In the present immortal time reference... there is only one Jewel in the Whole Universe which has these properties... and it is fully described in a 2,500 years old story...which tells about the Jewel of the Universal Monarch... The best narrative illustration of the powers of this most fantastic Jewel can be found in "The Jatakas".....in the Vidhura Pandita Jataka... #545 Vol.VI , book XII, p.127 to 156.... or in your language, if you prefer, may be translated as " Stories of the Buddha's Former Births", translated by H.T.Francis, Cambridge and by various hands, under the editiorship of Professor E.B.Caldwell, published in 1973, by the Pali Text Society, London, with the collaboration by the UNESCO Collection of Representative Works......just to know where it comes from...and beginning by a dream, goes something like this... " Now on that very day on morning-tide (I love those Indian words) the King saw a dream, and this is what he saw. At the door of the King's palace there stood a Great Tree... whose trunk was Wisdom, and whose branches and boughs were like Virtues, and its fruits the five sacred products of the Holy Cow, and it was covered with Elephants and Horses richly caparisoned; and a great multitude with folded hands were worshiping it with all reverence. Then a man, clothed in red cloth, and wearing hearings of red flowers, and bearing weapons in his hand, came up and cut the tree down by the roots in spite of the expostulations of the multitude, and dragged it off and went away, and then came back and planted it again in its old place and departed. Then the King as he comprehended the dream said to himself, " The sage Vidhura and no one else is like the Great Tree; that youth and no other, who carried off the sage, is like the man who cut the tree down by the roots in spite of the expostulations of the multitude; and verily he will come back and set him at the door of the Hall of Thruth and depart. We shall behold the Seer again today." So he joyfully ordered the whole city to be decorated and the Hall of Thruth to be got ready and a pulpit in a pavillion adorned with jewels; and himself surrounded by a hundred kings, with their counsellors, and a multitude of citizens and country people, he consoled them all by saying, " Fear not, you will see the Sage again to-day", and he seated himself in the Hall of Thruth, looking for the Sage's return." In this very long but very good story of one of the lives of Buddha, the Buddha tells about his life as Vidhura when he soared in the Air with the Winged- Horse...to obtain the Fabulous Jewel... which would allow him to obtain the hand of a beautiful princess. In the story, Vidhura is a poor guy, and in order to receive some respect from the King... he decides to use the name of a previous incarnation... Punnakha...who himself had also flown on the Winged-Horse and had obtained the Jewel of the Universal Monarch. ... all in perspective that the Buddha, that we know, also flew on the Winged-Horse. But, being poor, he also decides to challenge the King to play a gambling game... in which he will bet his own Winged-Horse which is the most fantastic Jewel of the World. " Punnaka, having mounted his horse, a charger fit for bearing the gods, himself richly adorned... went through the Sky!" (132).... actually it looks as if Punnaka obtained his "charger with ears of gold and hooves of ruby, and mail-armour of molten gold" from Varuna ( the other one which flew on the Winged-Horse!) ... and goes to see Kuvera... (the Horse-Headed God).... before going to get that glorious Jewel of the Universal Monarch. "Now there is a precious jewel of price belonging to the Universal Monarch, in the Vepulla Mountain .... " When he saw the glorious precious gem thus flashing light, gleaming so splendidly with its beauty, shining like lightning in the sky,- he at once seized the precious lapis lazuli, the jewel of priceless value, and mounted on his peerless steed, himself of noble beauty, he rushed through the space in the Sky!" (134) And then he went to the King and presented himself to him under the name of a previous life...and said that he was Punnaka... and offered the King to gamble for the Jewel of the Universal Monarch. "This is a fascinating jewel of mine, it is a glorious jewel which brings wealth: and the gamester who conquers me shall win this peerless steed which plagues all enemies." When the King heard him, he replied: " What will one Jewel do, O Youth? and what will one thoroughbred avail? Many precious jewels belong to a King, and many peerless steeds swift like the wind." When he heard the King's speech, he said, "O King, why dost thou say this? There is one Horse, and there are also a thousand and a hundred thousand horses ; there is one Jewel, and there are also a thousand jewels; but all the horses put together are not equal to this one, see what its swiftness is." So saying, he mounted the Horse and galloped it along the top of a wall, and the city wall seven leagues in length was as it were surrounded by horses striking neck against neck, and in the course of time neither horse nor Yakkha (Ghost-Rider) could be distinguished, and a single strip of red cloth tied on his belly seemed to be spread out all round the wall. Then he alighted from the Horse, and, telling him that he had now seen the Steed's Swiftness, he bade him mark something new : and lo he made the Horse gallop within the city garden on the surface of the water, and he leapt without wetting his hoofs; then he made him walk on the leaves of the lotus beds, and when he clapped his hand and stretched out his arm the Horse came and stood upon the palm of his hand. Then he said, "This is indeed a Jewel of a Horse!" "It is indeed, O Youth!" "Well, let the Jewel of the Horse be put on side for a while, - see now the Power of the Precious Jewel." "O Greatest of Men, behold this peerless Jewel of Mine ; in it are the (spiritual) bodies of women and the bodies of men ; the bodies of beasts are in it and the bodies of birds, the Naga Kings and suppanas, - all are created in this Jewel." "An Elephant Host, a Chariot Host, Horses, foot-soldiers, and banners, - behold this complete army created in the Jewel; elephant-riders, the king's body-guard, warriors fighting from chariots, warriors fighting from foot, and troops in battle array, - behold all created in this Jewel. "See, on the slopes of the mountains, troops of various deer, lions, tigers, boars, bears, wolves, and hyenas; rhinoceroses, gayals, buffaloes, red derr, rurus, antelopes, wild boars, nimkas and hogs, spotted kadali-deer, cats, rabbits, all kinds of Hosts of Beasts, created in the Jewel. (Please note that word Host means in this context...Angel or Spirit!) " Rivers well situated, paved with golden sand, clear with flowing waters and filled with quantities of fishes; crocodiles, sea-monsters are here and porpoises and tortoises... "Behold created in the Jewel all kinds of trees, filled with various birds, and a forest with its branches made of lapis lazuli. " See various troops of birds in the roads under the gateways, geese, herons, peacocks, ruddy geese and ospreys; cuckoos, spotted birds... - birds of every sort behold gathered together and created in the jewel. " See parks and forests, crags and mountains, pleasant to look at and full of strange monsters, - all created in the Jewel. " Behold created in this Jewel a city furnished with solid foundations and with many gateways and walls, and with many pleasant spots where four roads meet. Pillars and trenches, bars and bolts, watch-towers and gates, - behold all created in the Jewel. " See a marvelous city with grand walls, making the hair stand erect with wonder, pleasant with banners upraised, and with its sands all of gold, - see the hermitages divided in blocks, and the different houses and their yards, with streets and blind lanes between. " Behold the drinking shops and taverns, the slaughter-houses and cooks, shops, and the harlots and wantons, created in the Jewel. The garland-weavers, the washermen, the astrologers, the cloth merchants, the gold workers, the jewellers - behold created in the Jewel. " See drums and tambours, conchs and tambourines and all kinds of cymbals, created in the Jewel. " Cymbals and lutes, dance and song well executed, musical instruments and gongs, behold all created in the Jewel. " Jumpers and wrestlers too are here, and a sight of jugglers, and royal bards and barbers, behold created in the Jewel. " Crowds are gathered here of men and women, see the seats tiers beyond tiers created in the Jewel. "See the Sun and the Moon, shining on the four sides, as they go around Mount Sineru, - all created in the Jewel. " See the Earth surrounded by the Sea, with water everywhere, and diversified with trees. See too lakes well distributed in the four corners, filled with quantities of birds and abounding with fishes with broad scales, - all created in the Jewel. "See Sineru and Himavat and the miraculous sea and the four Guardians of the World - created in the Jewel. " Indra's Gardens ...and his palace Vejajanta, - behold all created in the . " Indra's Palace Sudhamma (Sidharma... Spirit of the Sidh)...the Heaven of the Thirty-Three (Buddhas), the Heavenly Tree Pariochatta in full flower, and Indra's Elephant Airavata, behold created in the Jewel. " See here the maidens of the gods risen like lightning in the air, and wandering about in the Nandana, - all created in the Jewel. " See the heavenly maidens bewitching the sons of heaven, and the sons of heaven wandering about, all created in the Jewel. " Behold more than a thousand palaces covered with Lapis Lazuli, all created with brilliant colors in the Jewel. " And the beings of the Tavatimsa Heaven and the Yama heaven and the Tusita heaven, and those of the Paranimmita heaven all created in the Jewel. " See here pure lakes with transparent water (amrita) covered with heavenly coral trees and lotuses and water-lilies. "O King, best of Men, look at this bright flame like Jewel, perfect in all parts, - this the destined reward for him who wins." And Vidhura spoke the thruth to the King.... and the text is much longer... and finally at the end Vidhura wins everything even the Kingship among all Kings. And the real Punnaka, gave a signal to the Horse who was endowed with reason, and he forthwith bounded into the sky, carrying the Seer. " The Prince of Horses bearing Vidhura went up into the sky and soon reached the Kalagiri (Black Mountain) without coming into contact with the boughs of trees or the rocks." Anyways, the Story is too long... but finally at the end they say that ... " Abiding his teachings, and following their King all the inhabitants of the Kuru Kingdom gave gifts and performed good works and at the end of their lives went to swell the hosts of Heaven!" ...... just like our freshly departed singer friend Michael! And also, finally, the Monk with the Hood, the Hooded Ones, as they were called by the Celts, are the Knowledge-Holders, the ones which have reached Buddhahood... like Prince Siddharta Gautama Buddha, "Siddharta" meaning "The Holy One from the Sidh" who rides the Sindh Horse or Sidh Horse...and the reason why he is not in a hurry to go and admire for himself the perfect Jewel... is simply because it is His... because he is... the Universal Monarch and the Magic Horse is his Jewel and the reason why on the Luck-Flags of Tibet, the Airy-Horse is often replaced by a Jewel. "Om! Mani Padme! Hum! ... Om! The Jewel in the Lotus! Hum!" Om! The Jewel Horse of Spiritual Birth! Hum! Dream 3. I sat in front of a desk, behind sat a man in an jacket, an scientist. He asked me if the light was organic or tertiary. I said organic after much thinking. Then he let me out in another time, the middle ages. The street was paving in pattern. In a house lived a man that worshipped the sun and inside the city was an big well, in middle of the well was a fountain. People threw in things or themselves into the water, so occasionally was the water just mud. A man climbed up from the well and he wear out the right eye since it was rotten. Then he began to discuss its experiences. This is a very interesting dream as it is a Time Travel Dream... because in the other world there is no time frame... the past, present and future blend together, and this is why after he asked you if light was of the organic or tertiary order, therefore since you answered wrong... you were transported through time...in what you believed was the Dark Middle Ages.. but actually it was much further in the past ... but for many centuries it did not advance much. However, the guy to look for ...would be...the One Eyed Man who would climb out of the Wishing Well! Actually, this man is Odin, also known as Wode, Woden, Wotan... and he has only one eye... and he got his divine knowledge.... from the fountain of Mimir, the Fountain of Knowledge and Wisdom, located near the roots of the Giant Tree of Life Yggdrasil! You should read about that... and he is climbing out to announce that he is alive now. He is the Immortal Sun-God... or a past incarnation of him... the Source the Fountain of all earthly and heavenly life... from inspiration to materialization... and he will be glad to tell you all about his past "Live" experiences.... Listen to the Son-God... who has came so many times in all civilizations...because....as it is stated of him as Marduk, in Assyro-Babylonia... " The Light of the Father which created you, The Renovator of the Gods, The Lord of the pure incantation, making live the Deads, Him who knows the Heart of the Gods, The Guardian of Justice and Rights, The Creator of all things, The First of the totality of the Lords, The Lord of Kings, The Shepherd of the Gods... ....and it would be too long at this point to tell everything about Him, but, in short, in Assyro-Babylonia, he was known as "The Swift Horsed-Sun" and to illustrate this, in case you would ever feel like talking to the Sun... here is the oldest prayer in the World, which comes from this old religion of the Magis, the world famous Sun-Priests of Assyro-Babylonia.... and is entitled "Khorshed Yast"....or "Yast to the Sun" and is extracted from the Zend-Avesta Part II, pages 85 to 87 and translated by James Damesteter, Motilal Banarsidass, India. " YAST TO THE SUN " " Unto the undying, shining, Swift-Horsed Sun; Be propitiation, with sacrifice, prayer, propitiation and glorification. The will of the Lord is the Law of Holiness.... 1. We sacrifice unto the undying, shining, Swift-Horsed Sun. When the light of the Sun waxes warmer, when the brightness of the Sun rises up, then up stand the heavenly Yazatas, by hundreds and thousands: they gather together its Glory, they make its Glory pass down, they pour its Glory upon the Earth made by Ahura, for the increase of the World of Holiness, for the increase of the Creatures of Holiness, for the increase of the undying, shining, Swift-Horsed Sun. 2. And when the Sun rises up, then the Earth made by Ahura, becomes clean; the running waters become clean, the water of the wells become clean, the standing waters become clean; all the holy creatures, the creatures of the Good Spirit, become clean. 3. Should not the Sun rise up, then the Daęvas would destroy all the things... that are in the seven Kharvares ( Regions of the World), nor would the heavenly Yazatas find any way of withstanding or repelling them in the material world. 4. He who offers up a sacrifice unto the undying, shinning, Swift-Horsed Sun - to withstand darkness, to withstand the Daęvas born of darkness.... to withstand Death that creeps unseen - offers it up to Ahura Mazda, offers it up to the Amesha-Spentas, offers it up to his own Soul...as he benefits them and himself thereby. He rejoices all the heavenly and worldly Yazatas, who offers up a sacrifice unto the undying, shining, Swift-Horsed Sun. 5. I will sacrifice unto Mithra, the Lord of Wide Pastures, who has a thousand Ears and ten thousand Eyes. I will sacrifice unto the club of Mithra, the Lord of Wide Pastures, well struck down upon the skulls of the Daęvas. I will sacrifice unto that friendship, the Best of all Friendships, that reigns between the Moon and the Sun. 6. For his Brightness and Glory, I will offer unto Him a sacrifice worth being heard, namely, unto the undying, shining, Swift-Horsed Sun. Unto the undying, shining, Swift-Horsed Sun, we offer up the libations, the Haoma and food, the Beresma, the wisdom of tongue, the Holy Spells, the Speech, the Deeds, the libations and the rightly-spoken words. 7. The will of the Lord is the Law of Holiness.... I bless the sacrifice and the invocation, and the strength and vigor of the undying of the undying, shining, Swift-Horsed Sun. Holiness is the best of all good.... Give unto that Man....who is the Swift-Horsed Sun.... Brightness and Glory, give Him Health of Body....give Him Wealth.... give Him the bright, all-happy, blissful abode of the Holy Ones." Dream 4. I created immateriella creatures that in its turn created beings and in its turn created beings. They were lighting points, transparent, ethereal and alleviated. Several universe was born all along This is a very powerful dream... the creation of the Spiritual Worlds which we visit in Dreams... and it has a smell of the Present Actuality... when the Spirit of God will complete the Creation... by finally opening the Spiritual Universe for good...once for all. Dream 9. ( I had to jump a few dreams....) Dreamed about a barn and there was a threat. The threat was terrible, more worse than a atomic bomb effect, worse than plague, starvation and dead. I manage to flee down to people so that they could phone to the police. All took protection in a house with glassed-in roof. The threat destroyed everything in its way and suddenly can I see the threat. The threat are on the roof as a shadow and I realizes that, the threat do not become dangerously if I find out what it is. I says to the police to not fire and decides me, in order to see were the threat takes its way. Goes in to the woods, to a cottage. On this garden was all possible things, old automobiles, timber, animals and hens. I see a man that repair an autocycle and I knows that he is the threat in the barn. Then we goes besides each other on a way, talking and the feeling is a calmness. You see, this dream is once again of the same apparently Scary Ghosts Nature Issue....and this dream indicates that the Shadows on the Roof.... " Beware, there are above you watchers! " Coran. ..... and the worst is that all these Shadows all work for the same guy,.... and these are sent at his wishes to either to please or to torture as need be required... to demonstrate the existence of the Eternal Realm. " Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of Angels. But how then would the Scriptures be fulfilled that say it must happen in this way?!" words of Jesus, defending himself in Matthew 26, 53-54. You see, it works like that... and it is not of my mortal fault...but on the other side, everybody likes me...because they know who I am and they respect me for that. In any case, a friend and disciple of Carl Jung, namely Erich Neumann, a more brilliant Academic Old Running Shoe went deeper into this inspirational vein and discovered even more about this surprising Being which he calls, in his terms, the Great Individual.... which he attempts to describe, with more or less success, in a chapter entitled " The Group and the Great Individual" of the appendices of his book called the Origins and History of Consciousness, from pages 421 to 435....from which the following might be some of the best extracts....we have to remember that this book is a translation from a 1949 german text.... " The phenomenon of the guardian spirit is particularly interesting because in it we can observe, in collective form, the act which was normally the experience of the Great Individual (alone)." (Pg 423) " Not only is the spirit alive and active in the group psyche, that is, in the group's unconscious, but these spiritual phenomena of the collective unconscious manifest themselves in revelations which are perceived by particularly gifted individuals who, precisely because they become revelatory bearers of the transpersonal, prove to be Great Individuals. The collective unconscious of the group manifests itself by taking possession of the individual (who is in the process of becoming a G.I.), whose function is, as an organ of the group, to convey to this group the content of the unconscious." (423) " We have, therefore, a whole hierarchy of phenomena revealing the deep layers of the psyche, and a corresponding hierarchy of revelation bearers who appear as Great Individuals." (424) Very interesting, Mr.Neumann, your theory of G.I.Joes.... "The G.I., ...., is characterized not only by the fact that the unconscious content has him in its grip, but by the fact that his conscious mind also has an active grip on the content (of the universal collective unconsciousness)." (426) Now, this was the most important paragraph. After a while he gets to understand this....and it is true that it works like that. This is where it would be for anyone really interested to observe this phenomena, where the ones who believe have pleasant dreams and the other ones who don't believe have nightmares.... from Night Mares! I can show you a few good ones. " For the group member, the GI is primarily the carrier of projections. The unconscious psychic wholeness of the collective is experienced in the person of the GI, who is at once the group self and the unconscious self of each member." (428) " The GI who breaks away from the anonymity of the primordial collective is, on the heavenly plane the god-figure, while on the earthly plane he is the medicine man, chief and god-king." .....who is somekind of a major treath....the materialists, who base the value of their lives against material gains...and disbelievers... for the rest of the people, he represents freedom of the immortal souls. The way it works is very simple... you believe in him...you get eternal life in the Realm where he is the King.... if you don't ...well too bad so sad. Dream W, 30 August - 1993 (in the afternoon) "A bus with biologists stopped at my house, they travels around in order to search for how many greenhouse there are. They plant out a quantity of plants on the grounds, among others, an Asian pine tree. The biologist asks how I does with the composting, I told him how and he nods kindly all along the description. He realized that he don't need to add something. In the greenhouse have a swallow fled in and a great tit, but they manage to fly out. The greenhouse change to a chapel place." "Pine tree: pinus sylvestris, in east Asia regards the pine tree to be the real "life tree", as at high age appear freshly and always green." This is true in Asia this tree is the Tree of Life, as it is the sacred Tree of the Chinese Lord of Longivity, as mentioned earlier... but it can be of all species...and it is found in all faiths as they are the Trees-of -Life of the Universal Monarch... and claimed to be an attribute of the Pegasus Winged-Horse Rider which is also repeated in some other Buddhist text... .....from " Buddhism and Lamaïsm of Tibet, pages 86, 87 & 88..... "Godly Birth. The God is born at once "fully developed" within a halo of glory from a lotus flower.- the oriental symbol of immaterial birth and is provided with the special attributes of a God, viz, (1) a lotus-footstool, (2) splendid dress and ornaments, (3) goddess-companions (Apsaras, celestial nymphs- the "houris" awarded to heroes.), (4)*** a wish-granting Tree, which instantly yields any fruit or food wished for, and bends to the hand of the gatherer, its leaves yielding luscious food, its juice nectar, and its fruit jewels, (5) a wish-granting cow which yields any drink wished for, (6) self-sprung crops (usually painted as Indian corn or maize), ***** (7) in a golden stall... a jewelled Horse-of-foreknowledge which Pegasus-like carries his rider wherever wished, through-out the worlds of the past, present, and future,***** (8) a lake of perfumed nectar or ambrosia (Skt., Amrita) which is the elixir vitae and the source of the divine lustre. The cup-bearer is Dhanwantari, the Indian Ganymede. Shining is a peculiarly divine attribute, and the etymology of the word "divinity", is the root Div, "to shine", the parent of the Skt. Deva and latin Deus.....The main thing to understand here is that the god is born "at once fully developed"...and material birth has nothing to do with Spiritual Godly Birth. But, this Tree is everywhere, we saw earlier the Tree of the Buddha, in the story of Buddha's previous life as Vidhura... and now look at this one from the Islamic Tradition... but it is everywhere... This time the story comes from Islam and relates to the Trees of Paradise which the Muslims call the Garden.... and comes from a book which I don't even have the title... but is divided into some 46 short chapters which all begin by "Concerning" this or that... and the following is from the 45th chapter, from pages 129 to 132...which is entitled "Concerning the Trees and Houris of the Garden". The Houris are somekind of Fairies and I will expose only the Trees. " Ka'b, may Allah be pleased with him, said: " I asked the Messenger of Allah about the Trees of the Garden", and he, the Prophet Mohammed, peace be upon him, said: " Their branches do not dry up nor their leaves fall and their fruits do not vanish. The largest of the trees of the Garden is the Tree of Tuba. Its roots are of pearl, its trunk of ruby, its branches of chrysolite, and its leaves of silk brocade. On it are seventy thousand branches, and these branches are connected to a leg of the Throne (of Allah). The nearest of its branches are in the nearest heaven. There is not a room, nor a dome, nor a tree in the Garden that doesn't have a branch of the Tree of Tuba shading it. Its roots are in Heaven and its light reaches every corner. On it are fruits whose rareness is desired in this world, and which are not in this world." As Allah-ta'ala said: "Its clusters nigh to gather, Eat and Drink with wholesome appetite, for what you did long ago, in the days gone by." ( Holy Coran, 69:23-24 ) "When the wind blows, the leaves of the Tree strike each other, and a sound comes from them whose beauty has not been heard. From its top come out "Robes of Honour" (Immortal Ghostly Spiritual Bodies), and from its base "Horses with Wings", saddled with saddles inlaid in pearl and ruby, which do not drop dung nor urinate. The Awliya (friends) of Allah ride them, and fly with them in the Garden." " Those who are lower than them will say: " O Lord, for what reason have you given these "Servants of Yours" this Karama (Miracle)?" "So, Allah-ta'ala will say to them: " These are the Ones who prayed while you were sleeping, fasted while you ate, fought Jihad while you were sitting with your women, and were spending their wealth in the Way of Allah while you were miserly." And so the Prophet, peace be upon him said: " In the Garden is a Tree, and a Rider (on a Winged-Horse) could travel for one hundred years in its shade and not pass from it." As Allah-ta'ala said: "Have you not regarded your Lord, how he extended the shadows?" (3:19) And so the Prophet, peace be upon him said: " Shall I tell you about an Hour which is most like the Hours of the Garden? It is the Hour which is before the Rising of the Sun, when its Shade spreads." Interestingly, when it comes to the story of Odin, it is said that his fearsome Horse Sleipnir, which flies in the Sky, loves to eat in the foliage of this Tree, which it considers as its pasture! (Encyclopedia of Mythology) Curiously enough, someone dreamt of that....in a dream posted in some interpretation I did about some Pregnancy and Baby Dreams.... "Now I was "transformed" a third time, I wasn't the woman any more, I was myself now and I took care of the two animals while she showed me her own apartment, we left the horse outside, so he could eat from something that looked like a Japanese tree, and he liked it." (Extract from n.019) So, this is the Tree of life and once you put it, inside your greenhouse, where you grow your spiritual food, taking your own Tree of Life, in that place where you get to benefit the most from the Rays of Sunlight, your place becomes like a chapel. Dream, Y. 31 august - 1987 "I saw a indian chief that was painted in different colors, yellow, blue and red. The chief and one more person danced round and round. The indian chief should go to the worlds of spirits and finally he rode away on a winged white horse, very calmly and gentle he took off from the ground and thereafter he was gone. The chief said nothing during the dream. He had an axe in his hand." Dream Zzzz... "I follow the drumbeating and find myself naked in a desert, be like Mexico. The sand is blowing and it's hot. I have no hat on my head and no clothes. Therefore I seek a shelter under a very big stone, my yellow gray wolf were lying beside me. The stone start to pulsate and get alive. I put myself in front of the stone and I see a big chief with an enormous fallos. The chief is taking a finally form. He is not a giant but he his a big man. He call me for the Sun of the Daughter and he ask me to look into his eyes which is yellow. Suddenly I flies over the earth and finally I'm on the top of the roof in Tibet. I can see a valley situated between high mountains." So, these are the last two dreams of this article...both deal with an Indian Chief... who is Wakan Tanka of the Amerindians....a guy who came at least 5 times... and here appeared to the same person under the disguises of two of his different Ghosts. The tales of the Thunderhorse are preserved in the legends of the Oglala Sioux of the Pineridge Reservation, somewhere in the States. The Thunder-Horse belonged to Wakan Tanka, apparently the Creator of All Things, which sometimes came to earth during thunderstorms and killed the buffalo.(From a National Geographic's article on the Badlands.) Surprisingly, Wakan Tanka is known from both the Northern to the Southern tips of the Americas. In the South, the tribal amerindian people still know him as Wakan Tank. Some recent dreams seem to indicate that the Thunderhorse came at least 5 times. For the Sioux of the plains, the same Spirit was known as Thunderbird, and for them the sound of Thunder was the voice of the Great Manitou, speaking from the clouds. (EM for Thunderbird) Ok! so, this guy, is the God of Spiritual Fertility and he is often represented by a giant phallus... in many civilisations, like the Celts, the Sacandinavs, and many others for that spiritual reason. "I am Osiris, the Lord of the Heads that live,mighty of breast and mighty of back, with a phallus that goeth to the remotest men and women... I have become a Spirit, I have been judged, I have become a divine being." (Egyptian Book of the Dead, Ch.69) In finale, he has the yellow eyes of fire of the Ancient of Days...as described in Daniel 7, and in Revelation 1,14 and 19,11.... and look, I am not saying this in trying to make anyone blindly believe in my words, but to simply draw your attention towards the existing possibility that what I say might be the Thruth which you have all been waiting to hear. All the Holy Scriptures say in total harmony that some Celestial Messenger is supposed to come in this time of Great Tribulations, and you will remain in doubt until you perform some required investigations which are necessary in order to be able to rightfully open your eyes to the reality of the Eternal Spiritual World, in which we all aspire to resurrect, after the death of our poor and ephemerous mortal "flesh" bodies, in the full glory of wonderful "Luminous Speculum" Ghost Bodies, which are exactly alike the Holy Ghost himself and on the same nature of the Holy Spirit! "If men who have been warned by heavenly messengers have been indifferent to them, as regards religions, they suffer long, being born in a low condition." "If virtuous men who have been warned by celestial messengers in this World, they do not neglect them and investigate and profess the Holy Doctrines. Seeing the danger of attachment, which is the cause of birth and death, they have in this life extinguished the miseries of existence by arriving at a condition free from fear, happy and free from passions and sins." (Anguttara Nikaya, Eka Duka and Tika Nipata (Galle, Ceylon,1913, pp.160-5, translation by E.R.J.Gooneratne) And in extremis, realize that in the World of Above... which is the abode of all our Ghosts and Spirits... exists a powerful hierarchy, dominated by the Creator, the Primordial Soul of the Universe in its unique form as the Holy Spirit... the Winged-Horse of Fire...and in all his other Holy Ghosts forms of all the Servant-Riders who ascended on Him.....because He is your King, your real true and only Good King, the Sun-God, the God of Knowledge, the Highest of all Scientists, the Teacher... the Knowledge-Holder, the only One who knows everything in regards to the hidden Mysteries of the Metaphysical Reality....of His Kingdom! "Thou shalt understand that it is a Science most profitable, and passing all other sciences, for to learn to die. .... I shall give thee the Mystery of this Doctrine ; the which shall profit thee greatly to the beginning of Ghostly Health, and to a stable fondament of all virtues." (Orologium Sapientiae- from "The Book of the Craft of Dying" ... Comper's Edition) Thank Barbro and Victoria for most wonderful dreams and sweet dreams to everyone, Dr. Deus <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< G L O B A L D R E A M I N G N E W S March-April 1998 - Special ASD Report <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< (The Global Dreaming News will be sent separately this month at a later date.) This Month's Features: ASD March Update The latest news from the Association for the Study of Dreams www.asdreams.org March TOPICS: -- Regional Meeting for Bay Area, March 29th -- June Dream Conference in Hawaii - Schedule now up -- Dream Discussions Online - ASD Bulletin Board -- Graduate Dream Studies Project - Know of any? -- Historical Studies in Dreaming - Call for papers -- New online dream book shop -- Misc: Dreams and Film, re-play of 1997 Dream Art Gallery, Search Dream Journal Abstracts, More ------------------------------------------------------- -- Regional Meeting for Bay Area, California March 29th A Regional Meeting at the Coburns home on Sunday, March 29th from 10:00am to 4:00pm. It is a casual affair - bring sack lunch, some time for dream groups, and features 2 speakers: Joan Robinson on Sand Tray Dreamwork and Loyd Auerbach on Psychic Dreaming. Chuck will do the Closing ceremony. We are encouraging networking (brochures only - no "sale" items). Flyers will be out by week's end, and we hope you will pass the word, attend and support ASD as well as promo for the Hawaii conference. $25 entry contribution. If you have any questions, contact Kelly Bulkeley or Shirley Colburn. If you don't know either of these folks, send your questions to Richard Wilkerson at asd@dreamgate.com ----------------------------------------------------- -- June Dream Conference in Hawaii - Schedule now up Getting the latest information on the Hawaii XV ASD International Conference, 1998 is now EASY. Just stop by and select the conference page to get the latest information, pictures and more. We are VERY excited about this conference and now have the SCHEDULE of speakers and workshops available online. General Conference Information: http://www.asdreams.org/asd-15.htm June Speaker and Workshops Schedule: http://www.asdreams.org/asd-15schedule.htm FIFTEENTH ANNUAL INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE OF THE ASSOCIATION FOR THE STUDY OF DREAMS Brigham Young University - Laie, Oahu, Hawaii June 22-28, 1998 For Further information: The Conference Information Hotline Number In Hawaii Is: (808) 262-7750 Call this number if you have particular question about Hawaii and your trip. Our local volunteers there will be happy to listen to your recorded message and get back to you by telephone or e-mail, to answer questions and make suggestions about pre- and post-conference vacation activities, weather, clothing, what to bring, etc. Note: For registration, and for housing information, do not call the hotline; instead call ASD's Central Office: (703) 242-0062. ASD Central Office email ASDreams@aol.com ------------------------------------------------ -- Dream Discussions Online - ASD Bulletin Board Though NO specific dreams are interpreted, we do talk about just about everything else that has to do with dreams and dreaming. The ASD discussion Web board is at http://www.asdreams.org/enter_board.htm ... and is hosted by Ad Christiaensen who would love to hear from you. What do you think about lucid dreaming? How did you like the last book on dreams you read? How about posting your dream projects and regional plans here? Maybe you could even help us out, as we answer dozens of basic questions about dreams and dreaming from younger students around the world and help with locating research material and resources for more advanced students. Come join this international cast of characters in the field of dreams and dreaming. ------------------------------------------------ -- Graduate Dream Studies Project - Know of any? The Association for the Study of Dreams would like to provide detailed Web site descriptions of any graduate programs that support dream studies. To do this, we need your cooperation in supplying information you might have about these programs. Don Kuiken, Editor-in-Chief of the ASD Journal Dreaming has provided forms and information on how to submit information and will be posting this data as it comes in. Stop by the Graduate Dream Studies for more information. http://www.asdreams.org/gradstudies_idx.htm ------------------------------------------ Dreaming Journal Special Issue Announcement CALL FOR PAPERS: A SPECIAL ISSUE ON HISTORICAL STUDIES OF DREAMING Dreaming is planning a special issue on historical studies of dreams scheduled for publication in early 2000. Contributions are invited for articles that: (1) Examine the role of dreams in a particular historical setting or cultural milieu; (2) Analyze what a specific historical figure or text said about dreams; (3) Compare the place of dreams in different historical eras and, if applicable, track developments from one era to another; (4) Survey the changing view of dreams and dreaming through the history of religion, philosophy, literature, and/or science; (5) Examine the historical development of various clinical applications of dreams, including historical literature reviews on the role of dreams in differing diagnostic groups and the use of dreams in specific therapeutic traditions. Manuscripts will undergo full peer review and should be submitted by 1 March 1999 to: Hendrika Vande Kemp, Ph.D, 180 N. Oakland Avenue, Pasadena, CA 91101-1714, U.S.A. or Kelly Bulkeley, Ph.D., 226 Amherst Avenue, Kensington, CA 94708, U.S.A. ----------------------------- -- New online dream book shop That's right, Dream Books, Conference Tapes, Videos, CD, DreamWheels, all available and ready to be sent to you or a special someone for as a gift. When you buy from the ASD bookshop you are supporting dream education at the same time. http://www.asdreams.org/Html_web_store/html_web_store.cgi ----------------------------------------------------------- -- Misc: ASD Web Site Features. The ASD Web site, www.asdreams.org offers a multitude of dream related resources, including abstracts from the Journal _Dreaming_ and bibliographic searches for the ASD newsletter and the Magazine Dream Time. Also, many articles from these publications are available. Conference schedules give a clue to the latest research and innovations. But the ASD Web site is more than a warehouse for research titles. We have two extremely beautiful dream inspired art galleries, the winners of the annual dream art show. We have discussions online at every level, from high academia to grassroots. We have reviews of dozens of films that involve dreaming. And as mentioned above, you can even order books and other dream related products online. Stop by and join the ASD international family and become involved in the most exciting and expansive dream movement on earth. --------------------------------------------------------------------- --------- The Association for the Study of Dreams ASD - P.O. Box 1600 - Vienna, VA - 22183 - Phone: (703)-242-0062 Fax:(703)-242-8888 - Email asdreams@aol.com - www.asdreams.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- The Association for the Study of Dreams is a non-profit, international, multidisciplinary organization dedicated to the pure and applied investigation of dreams and dreaming. Its purposes are to promote an awareness and appreciation of dreams in both professional and public arenas; to encourage research into the nature, function, and significance of dreaming; to advance the application of the study of dreams; and to provide a forum for the eclectic and interdisciplinary exchange of ideas and information. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ == D R E A M S S E C T I O N == ED V5 N3 == ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** D R E A M S SECTION INDEX BY BOB K. (For ED V5 N3) Hi there! Welcome to ELECTRIC DREAMS - DREAMS SECTION for Vol. 5 Number 3 - March 1998. Hi there amigos! This month brings us another round of interesting shared dreams, commentary and thoughts on dreams. We start our with Editorials on Dream Incubation and Dream Software. The Feedback from Dreamers features a comment on Expectational Dreaming, a response to last months Editorial and futher extension of thoughts on context and relationship in dreams, and a letter from DrD in response to a message from your dreams section editor. A couple recurring dreams related to public exposure and loss are shared. The categories of Escape, Flying, Journeys and Relationships are the most active this month. Dreambat and Stan K share some movielike dreams and living contexts. A young (alleged) 7th grader shares an Unbelievable dream experience. DrD shares his dream classification scheme in his comments on Exotic Bird. A couple previous issue dreams are also commented on. Some dream software observations from the *Dream-Up* product are shared. We are treated to a series of dreams from Sweden along with some self commentary which preserve some of the original syntax as thoughts are translated between languages. Enjoy your visit to the pages of Electric Dreams. NEW CATEGORIES: (None this month) EDITORIAL: DREAM INCUBATION One of the areas that dreamers explore, and which non recallers would love to master is the incubation of dreams. What? Well, what it is is the process of requesting a dream in response to a particular issue. When successful, the resulting dream or dream series offers guidance or commentary on the incubated question. It is a process similar to a prayer (requesting an outcome from a higher power), but leaving to the process of dreams the package and message that the response will show up as. Several dream books outline methods for refining your skills in this area. Lucid dreams often are the response to the intention to become concious in dreams and offer a whole new dimension of reality to explore. One problem is that we ask for an answer to a question that is too broad. The more specific the question, the easier it is to relate dream images to a suggested response or commentary. In my early adult years, I remember wishing for a dream to show me the key to my future. I was working in the hotel business at the time, and dealt with room keys all the time. The resulting dream was a huge room full of keys of all sizes, types, and shapes filling some shelves throughout the room. All were freely available to me! I guess there were many doors and locks I could open, and the dream just reaffirmed that there were many directions I could go in, rather than zooming in on any specific area. It's nice to know there are limitless horizons, but it didn't offer me the guidance I was looking for, or at least not in terms I could understand. So I tried again a few weeks later: What is my path in life? This time I had a dream of driving off to the horizon as the sun was rising in a Chevy El Camino (which means road or path in Spanish). The El Camino was a combination sedan and pick-up truck type of vehicle. Guess the message was that my path would have to do with some transportation issue involving multiple fuctions for a living!! There are many techniques for learning how to ask smarter questions, as well as how request and remember dreams. Check out the wealth of dream resources listed (both offline and online) at the DreamGate site (www.dreamgate.com) which also houses an Electric Dreams archive. The specific page for online resources on the net is: http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/resources/online97.htm DREAM SOFTWARE I have been experimenting with several dream software prducts, and starting next month I will be sharing the results. There are various approaches and each has areas it works better on. In this issue, Nutcracker shares some dream symbol definitions from the DREAM-UP product which can be obtained at: http://www.dreamup.com/ Dream-Up from Dreamsoft Inc. allows the definitions to be modified, amplified or changed into a truly personal dream dictionary. The developers of this product have generously allowed ED to test out their Version 1.0 and Version 2.0 software from which the cited symbols are extracted. The cited symbols are just a small sample of the vast library of definitions Dream-Up supplies with their interactive program. DrD asks the question within one of his commentaries: Should we let computers analyze our dreams? The answer to that one is simple. They can't. Computers still can't translate simple documents from one language to another accurately (Check out the new AltaVista translation service) because of the many nuances of languages and multiple meanings for words. Coming from Puerto Rico and knowing both Engish and Spanish well, I have followed several software products for Spanish-English translation for years, and they simply don't work effectively in either direction. Their level of competence was initially just one step above sign language, and though they have improved, the more complex a document the worst it gets. Hoping for any high degree of accuracy in the field of dreams is several levels of degree more difficult. Maybe sometime in the remote future when the StarTrek universal voice translator comes into our reality, accurate dream translation products may be close behind. However, the computer programs can help us keep track of our dreams, motivate us to capture them, and show us various ways of approaching them. They generally have some journal keeping features, and dictionary features. The best will allow you to enter your own personal meanings along with some supplied definitions by the software authors. One failure supplied definitions have is an inability to forsee all the many contexts that a similar symbol can change meanings with. Some products offer ability to chart statistics, and help with possible interpretations. None substitiute for a professional when professional help is needed or offer the flexibility or wealth of meaning provided by a dreamgroup. They can help people trying to learn more about themselves and the mystery of dreams. Of course, you first have to remember your dreams, and write them down. You can even experiment with taking waking life situations and enter them as a dream to get some insight into how program generated meanings can help you understand yourself better. If you have a computer, why not give some of these products a try? Stay tuned for more information. THANKS As usual thanks to all the dreamers and dream commentators for sharing a little bit of their internal reality with a larger community. FEEDBACK FROM THE DREAMERS == Commentary by Richard Catlett Wilkerson on Dream Theory - Expectational Dreaming (980313)== == Commentary Response to Caesar Editorial by Rob Lewis (980313)== == Commentary Response to Editorial Response by Bob Krumhansl (980313)== == Commentary by DrD : Thank you Bob! (980312)== COMMENTARY ON DREAMS FROM PREVIOUS ISSUES == Commentary on DrD on Reply to Miss Deer Nutcracker! (980226)= == Commentary by DrD on "Yard Sale and Naked" (980227) == == Commentary by DrD -Supplements to originals -on "Weird Dream" and "Abducted by B." (980227)== NEW DREAMS: PRECOGNITIVE/FUTURE DREAMS [Stories from past experiences, or send them in before it happens, if you can] REPETITIVE DREAMS [Significant by nature] ** Dream: Coed Bathroom - reoccurring by BU (980322)** == Commentary on Coed Bathroom by BobK (980322)== ** Dream: babysnatcher by ? (80320)** == Commentary by Bob K on Babysnatcher by ? (980322) == DREAM TRACES IN WAKING LIFE [The effects of external stimuli on our dreams or is it the other way around - our dreams leaving a trace on our physical reality?] DEFYING CLASSIFICATION [Your stumpers may not be so mysterious to others] = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = LINKS TO STAGES OF LIFE BIRTH [Starts] CHILDHOOD [Early development] ADOLESCENCE [Maturing, testing] ADULTHOOD [The main event for most] OLD AGE [Wisdom, Approaching the Journeys end] DEATH [Endings] COMMUNICATION WITH THE DEAD [Beyond our terrestrial limits] ========================================== ========================================== AGGRESSION [By us or against us- crossing others paths] ALIENS [Visitors or visited - creatures from other dimensions] AMUSEMENT PARK [A place to relax and enjoy, another reality] ANGELS [Visitors from Spiritual dimensions] ANIMALS [Basic Instincts] [This month brings us: serpents, horses, fish, ] == Commentary by DrD on Fisherman and Serpent (980303)== == Commentary by DrD supplement on Fisherman & Serpent (980306)== BATHROOMS [Maintenance, Cleansing and Elimination] BELONGING [What we are associated with or wish we were] BRIDGES [How we get across an obstacle or go from here to there] CELEBRITIES [The well known - famous and infamous] CLOTHING [What we wear tells us about ourselves and the events we participate in] COMEDY [With an accent on puns, funny situations or jokes] COMMUNICATIONS [From telepathic to devices to signs & symbols] COMPUTERS [Extensions of our minds, mind tools, communication] CULTS [Somewhere out there ...] DIRECTIONS [Ever stop and ask for directions? North, South, East, West, up, down, ahead, behind, straight, turn, right, left, make a circle, cross, go through, open, close, mix, add, boil, cook, simmer, but most of all - follow these instructions carefully...and don't be shy about asking someone else down the path, except, of course, for the Big Bad Wolf!!!] == Commentary by Heratheta on yard sale drm & barney drm (980225)== DISCOVERY [New insights and unexpected developments] DREAMING [Dreams about dreaming] DRUGS [Healing or Hurting?] EATING [Getting nourishment for maintenance, growth and pleasure] ELEVATORS [Going UP or DOWN - Push the right button or else...] ESCAPE [Get me outta here!!!] ** Dream: The exotic bird by M (980225)** == Commentary Computer Interprets 'Exotic Bird '(980224)== == Commentary by DrD on Exotic Bird and Xena's Miraculous Transformation Air Show (980228)== == Commentary by Heratheta on exotic bird drm (980301)== ** Dream: the saving jlizard by ? (980309)** EYES [The organs of sight...the window to the soul...] FEAR [What scares us] FOOD [The source of our physical nourishment] ** Dream: "She'll be apples" by V (980313) ** == Commentary by Heratheta on apple orchard dream (980314) == FIRE [Flames bring light, heat and destruction/transformation] FLYING [Confidence, Power, Freedom & Perspective] ** Dream: Practice Flying/Xena Princess Warrior Transforms Into a Hawk (980221) ** == Commentary Computer Interprets 'Practice Flying' (980224)== == Commentary by DrD on Xena's Flying (980312) == == Commentary by Heratheta on exotic bird drm (980301)== GIFTS [Offerings to or from others] HOBBIES [Our interests and desires]- COLLECTING THINGS HOLIDAYS [Time off to ...] HOSPITAL [A place for treatment, healing and repair] HOUSE [Where our lives take place] HOTELS [Temporary Dwelling or Special Event location] JOURNEYS [Missions away from our home base -explorations] ** Dream: "Down the River" by dreambat (980313) ** == Commentary by MB on Down The River (980315)== ** Dream: Slumming by Dreambat (980316) ** ** Dream: "Life Dream" by Dante (980320)** == Comment by Richard on 'Life Dream' (980320) == LOST [Disorientation or abandonment] LOTTERY DREAMS [Sudden Wealth - Randomness favors the dreamer] LOVE [All around us, yet so hard to find and keep] LUCID DREAMING [Knowing you are Dreaming when you are Dreaming] MEMORY [Remembering ...In dreams we often struggle with the issue of memories and remembering a dream which by definition involves the process of recollection.] MIRRORS [Reflection of Self] MUSIC [Melodies of the land within] NUDITY [What you see is what you get] ** Dream: Unbelievable!! from a 7th Grader (980307) ** == Commentary by Heratheta on pretty disgusting drm (980310)== == Commentary by Bob K on Unbelievable!! (980322)== PERFORMERS [Entertainers] PROBLEMS [Situations or difficulties sometimes present choices] POLITICAL SCENE [Public issues through positions of power] RELATIONSHIPS [Other parts of ourselves including family which constitutes the first and earliest of our relationships, often influencing how we relate to the outside world] ** Dream: Coming Home Domesticated by Stan K. (980307)** ** Dream: Of Loss and Longing by Stan K. (980308)** == Commentary by Heratheta on jeep drm,flyng drm,couch drm,mall drm (980312) == ** Dream: this little piggy will by ? (980309) ** ** Dream: The Party by molasses (980320)** RELIGIOUS RELATED [The Ritual and the Spiritual] ROMANCE [Thrills and Chills, lost in another] SCHOOL THEMES [Learning and learning related trials] SOLUTIONS [The answers to problems or quandaries] STAIRS [Bridges between levels, between the upper and the lower] TEETH [Ok, losing teeth is one of the top ten dreams people have questions on. Theories on what they mean range all over the spectrum of possibilities.] TORNADOS [Pretty well defined destructive power of nature] TRAPPED [Temporarily helpless- Sometimes we are paralyzed or imprisoned by jobs, relationships or expectations] VEHICLES [Means of transportation, reflection of lifestyle] WATER [A magical earthly fluid, nourishment, cleansing] WORKPLACE [Where we make a living] WRITING & WRITERS [Communication and creativity] = = = = = = = = = = = == DREAM SERIES (Dream's from Sweden - A personal collection by BN) ** Dream Series Dreams from Sweden by BN" (980305)** ** Dream 1: The Stone People ** ** Dream 2. The Eternal Stone ** ** Dream 3. The Organic Light Tunnel ** ** Dream 4. Immaterial Creatures ** ** Dream 5. A Fight ** ** Dream 6. My Sister and Rain ** ** Dream 7. The Estate Owner ** ** Dream 8. The Lizard On My Elbow ** ** Dream 9. The Barn and The Threat ** == Commentary by Heratheta on Sweden's drm & serpent drm (980307)== = = = = = = = = = = = == FEEDBACK FROM THE DREAMERS == Commentary by Richard Catlett Wilkerson on Dream Theory - Expectational Dreaming (980313)== Hi to all, I was watching a special on the body and healing by - eeek, name slips my mind, but there was a example the speaker gave that fits an aspect of dreaming that fascinates me. I call it the "Expectation Factor" and it has to do with the notion that the less lucid the dream, the more the dream is about expectations and beliefs. Her example was a how when you put a swarm of flies in a bottle and put the lid on for some time, the flies get used to it. Take the lid off and only a few bold flies even bother to leave. They have learned to live within the boundaries of their expectations. This is often seen very clearly in dreaming where we dream within the boundaries of our expectations. True, there are unexpected intrusions. We are not flies. This intrusion seem to me to be the playful imaginal being at the center of the universe. Metaphorically speaking. Everything is open to being played with in a dream, given enough time. Playing with Expectations - Richard == Commentary Response to Caesar Editorial by Rob Lewis (980313)== At 06:57 PM 3/13/98 -0500, you wrote: Hi Bob: I'm having trouble getting this off. Please acknowledge reception of. Thanks, Rob To: bobkrum@erols.com >Subject: Response to Caesar's Dream Hi Bob: I'm enclosing as an attachment in .txt format a brief to not so brief response to your lead editorial. Rob Subject: Re: Caesar's Dream: Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 19:12:09 -0500 From: Bob Krumhansl To: Robert Lewis "Rob - Enclosed is my editorial from the next ED using your question as a springboard ..." Greetings Bob: I want to first of all thank you for making Caesar's Dream the subject of your lead editorial, and to thank you for doing my homework: tracking the events that led up to the dream, the event itself and historical postscript. I'm sure it will come as no surprise that I simply didn't pick this dream out of a hat; that it is somehow illustrative of a (arguably narrow) point of view towards which I'm friendly. In Sex, Symbols and Dreams, (recently reviewed in ED), Dr. Janice Baylis only briefly discusses this dream on p. 37, citing (implicitly agreeing with) the interpretation offered by R. deBecker that "Caesar's biological mother represents his motherland, Italy, and his mother-town, Rome . . . that a man as eminent as Caesar could have been ENCOURAGED to undertake such a move by a nocturnal vision of incest. But the augurs in those days interpreted incest as a good sign of terrestrial conquest." You can well imagine how taken aback I was by the interpretation, (with which I must respectfully disagree), but even more so by the historical consequences of Caesar acting upon the interpretation. In your editorial, Bob, you eloquently elaborated on the multiplicity of meanings generated by dreams, their effects on family, friends, society etc., that dreams open up networks of interconnections between ourselves, the past and future. As much as I would like buy into this exalted vision of interpretation that underlies a civility (a humanity) we are all striving to attain as individuals and societies, I can't accept it because of what I perceive to be its uncritical acceptance of any number of interpretations, all of which are (implicitly) of some value. That relativism is creeping into every aspect of our lives and is undermining distinctions between good and evil, right and wrong is (for some) a disturbing development that begs consideration). As Caesar proves, this arbitrariness of interpretation gives license whose effects can ripple right through history. I noticed, Bob, that while offering several interpretative approaches to this dream you didn't settle on anything definitive, which is consistent with the approach that values the multiplicity of meanings and their effects. As you are well aware, I am consciously swimming against the current in this respect, and I feel this dream, in a positive sense, divides the camps even further. I'm hoping that this ever widening divide will generate excitement and healthy debate among interested parties, whose feedback will encourage both sides to re-examine their respective methods and pre-suppositions and prejudices. Before Caesar entered Rome, he didn't even want to fight a fair fight: he wanted to catch the enemy unawares. And then he dreamt of an incestuous encounter with his mother. The taboo against incest is TRANS-CULTURAL. It violates every known social and natural law. In his daytime (waking) contemplations, Caesar, in his obscene vanity and lust for power, was trying to justify (to himself) hurling his legions against Rome, a decision that would result in the slaughter of 1000ds of innocent men, women and children. The dream was telling him that to do this (to murder innocents to satisfy his vanity) would be tantamount to sleeping incestuously with his mother. The dream was categorically telling Caesar that to sack Rome was wrong, was immoral. Unlike yourself, Bob, I'm rather convinced that dreams have only one meaning. I can't prove my interpretation is the right one, but if you are right, and his dream holds a multiplicity of meanings, there is no compelling reason for Caesar not to enter Rome: matters of right and wrong are richly fudged and the dream is neither categorically corrective nor singularly meaningful. On the other hand, if I were his augur, history would read considerably different. Because of the extraordinary importance of some dreams, (and what their meanings are symbolically revealing), I'm arguing for a weeding out of arbitrary, un-tested interpretation while you are arguing for a richer, diverse inclusivity, a position enjoying current popularity but wouldn't cut muster in Roma circa 16BC. At the very least, this dream illustrates the importance of trying to divine the correct meaning of a dream, especially if in ignoring its message and/or misinterpreting it, blood is spilled. From a purely practical point of view, we should all hope that dreams resemble math questions in that there is only one right answer. And if the result of this is to render dream interpretation as dull as mathematics, that's a trade-off I can live with! Most Romans, post-facto, would agree, n'est ce pas? I'll thank you in advance, Bob, for your time and consideration. Robert Lewis == Commentary Response to Editorial Response by Bob Krumhansl (980313)== Rob - I got your original message and also this message. I'm sending it to the ed-core and will publish it in our next issue. Thanks for your comments. By the way, I had not read the Baylis book or any reference to this dream previously. I wonder sometimes how many people really read the dreams section of our issues, as I have not had any responses other than yours to the last issue. However, that fact does not diminish my enthusiasm for making an effort at expanding our discussion to a wider audience. With Electric Dreams, the issues will live in this dimension far longer than we will. I have been following your vision and exchange with Richard and in the dream wheels. It would be great if we could arrive at a mathematical meaning of dreams, universal in application, even if it only provided a fixed basic common thread, but I feel it would be akin to finding a mathematical meaning to each and every human life. I firmly believe that human life is not a quantifiable commodity by any mathematics we have devised. It is only because of the technological materialistic slant of this Western European laboratory results oriented culture that such a folly is even considered. Some people deny any meaning to life other than our physical moments in time while others see this existence as a part of a larger panorama. No one has settled this question for everyone yet. The answer to this issue would have a great bearing on the significance and meaning of life. As it stands now, we all reach our own answers and tailor our lives in some measure to our general belief - religious or philosophical. Regardless of which approach may ultimately prove correct, we live our lives here according to certain guiding beliefs that become real for each of us. I am reminded of the saying that whether or not we believe the Sun shines and sustains our existence on earth, whether or not we believe that we are nourished by oxygen in order to breathe, the Sun shines and oxygen is present in our existence and we live by their constraints. You may ignore your dreams, but they are part of our existence. One theory of dreams is that the visual and perceived emotional impact is totally meaningless, the fruit of random neuron firings. A related theory is that our perceived meaning of the visual or sensory images is meaningless except in our imaginations, but that on a physiological level there are physical electrochemical effects to dreams, and that is where their meaning lies - in their function of balancing our physical selves. Having worked with dreams for a long time I firmly disagree with the position that dreams are always devoid of any meaning. I do think there is something to the theory of a physiological or transpersonal effect that our dreams have, which may be the primary meaning you are looking for in content only. This "primary need fulfillment plus" theory allows for further meaning and supports a multi functional purpose for dreams, just as our lives are multi functional. We are members of the human race, citizens of Planet Earth, sons, brothers, sisters, parents, husbands, wives, companions, sharers of common interests or members of conflicting groups, but still remain special and unique. We do not necessarily cease to exist in one function at the expense of others, but share a simultaneous existence where one relationship is emphasized over others for spans of time. I understand your concern with relativism and potential dangers it becomes the breeding ground for, but I don't think allowing for different meanings in the realm of the dream experience violates any law of human existence. I have had dreams and experienced through dream sharing individual dreams with multiple meanings for a single person, such is the magical quality of dreams. One lesson I draw from the life that surrounds us it is that a degree of unity is embedded in apparent diversity. Regarding your conclusions about the tragic consequences of Caesar's Dream, I would like to reemphasize the point that in my opinion the dream of and by itself did not create or inevitably lead to the consequences that ensued, it was just one of many contributing factors. We may change a job or enter or exit a relationship because of the influence of a dream message, but we must live with the consequences - good or bad to us or others. Blindly following a dream message may have far more tragic consequences than blindly following any leader or authority figure. On the other hand, David Koresh saw the end of the world imminent and lived indeed to see a "premature" (by traditional standards) end of his world. Our beliefs, which our dreams are linked to, act as magnets to our realities in ways we do not precisely understand. Respectfully, Bob K. == Commentary by DrD : Thank you Bob! (980312)== Dear Bob, thank you for your detailed message. You will be glad to know that "El Nino" is basically over. I mean by this that I have interpreted enough dreams to give a taste of my salad.... and my interpretations will soon stop. Actually, I am not planning to give any for a while. I had also mentioned to Richard, a little while back that it would be a little lengthy at first... but that it would resume to normal quite rapidly for many different reasons which would be too long to explain. Also, feel reassured about the intention of the "Divine Dreams" site which I kind of consider as a Satellite to ED... because it specializes into my salad only... and does not cover the wider range of topics which ED does. I am telling you this because I realize that other dream sites which were obviously born from ED... have not given any of you much credit for starting them up. I also had this type of thing done to me a couple times also... and did not like it too much. By the way, it has a great time for me to interpret them few dreams which appeared on the Core, because from their content, I know that all them people are good people.... where in other places, there are some dreams which I would rather not interpret from what I see in them.... so bad, some people are! However, there are still a few things which I will have to clarify...for instance, I received an e-mail from Mary B.. who believes that dreams come from our imagination... as per the teachings of some persons. It is therefore clear that many don't realize that imagination is a capacity of the Conscious mode of the Soul...while dreams come from the Unconscious mode! Anyway, it is evident that a dream like the "Revelation" one of Nutcracker... was just beyond the faculty of imagination and strongly suggests that our dreams are all inter-connected, besides being all issued from the same origin. Also, Bob, to reassure you, God does not belong to any Church... even though his word as the "Author of All Things" is behind all the Universal Holy Scriptures... and it is not his intention to restore any of these materialistic institutions which are causing so much schismatic chaos at the present time. Actually, he will want everyone to walk out of them Churches... because the real Temples are behind the eyes and between the ears of every single living being! OK! about computers, I am a real dummy.... and I do not know anything about them... but, to tell you honestly I find this Space Age Communication Tool, extremely promising... Actually, I had a dream recently, in which I saw, a great number of computers getting interconnected together in some kind of Windows 100 far out program!! About the title Doctor D., the idea came from a Tibetan scholarship title of Doctor of Divinity... or Doctor Universalis which was bestowed on the very spiritual Tulkus, at a time when there were knowledge-holders, in regards to Metaphysics, in Tibet... which is obviously not the case anymore! So, don't worry about doing what you think is best. As you say, the term is also used for Medicine Doctors and for people it might be confusing... but, although I am a little bit of that in regards to the secrets of the soul... I came up with that, because I spent somewhere between 16 and 20,000 hours researching and studying in this field which would be the equivalent of 4 or 5 Doctorates in Universities. About the repetitions....I will avoid that... and redirect the people towards places where this is already exposed. About Nutcracker, she is really having a ball now... and is presently working on her own research and finding all kinds of things on her own... possibly from a too wide approach....but, she will learn how to screen her material...distinguishing the doubts from the certainties. I felt that I dreamt a lots, but she has about 3 times as much dreams per annum than I have myself... which I find to be already a lots to handle! About Cut-Backs....don't worry, I am extremely pleased by everything that I have managed to escape with so far. About the positive and negative reaction of people to Reincarnation, Immortality of the Soul, and the constant manifestations of the Primordial Soul in the flesh... I fully realize that there will be a universal confrontation or major shock of ideas....from where the Light will