When I look at constellations, I can see what your dreams are. You'll have one million thoughts a month, but you only get five stars. 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Dream Intensives with Robert Bosnak Video Games and Dreams Questionnaire Dream Art Exhibition ASD Conference Highlights of Upcoming Events RESEARCH & REQUESTS Paranormal Research Moon Dreams Need Help with Interpretation of Dreams Dreams and Recovery WEBSITE & ONLINE UPDATES DreamScape has moved Spiritwatch Update LATE BREAKING NEWS ASD Art Exhibition: Deadline Moved Jungian Dream Conference in Chicago And DREAM CALENDAR for March 1998 D R E A M S SECTION Indexing and Editorial by Bob Krumhansl (For ED V5 N2) XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX MARCH 20, WED deadline for submission FOR Next Electric Dreams vol 5(2) XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Editor's Notes +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Linda Lane Magallon continues her Dream Trek to find the undiscovered territories of dreaming outside of the traditional conflict resolution models. The uninterpreted dream may be like an unopened letter, but the interpreted dream may feel the same despondency as an interpreted friend. A more interpretive, but not so traditional approach is offered by Anthony Dubetz. Author of EASY DREAMS and founder of the Dream Hot line in Chicago (312) 589-2471, Tony has been helping puzzled by dreams for several years and now is making his dream wisdom available to readers of Electric Dreams and will be online answering questions about ideas and particular dreams on the ed- core mail list. Be sure to read the first installment of Easy Dreams here or get the whole text online and discuss the work on the ed-core mail list. Dr. D. returns this month with "Divine Destiny and the concept of the Trinity". Last month Dr D discussed the Divine Origin of dreams, while this month the spectral telescope is turned in the other direction to see where our dreams are trying to lead us... which Dr. D. feels is our Divine Destiny! Linley Joy, who moderates the DreamWheel Dream Groups, is now offering a discussion list on dreams and dreaming, cyberdreams@lists.best.com For more on how to join this discussion, see the info below on Cyberdreams. The Global Dreaming News, from Peggy Coats and www.dreamtree.com comes this month with a whole array of news, activities and events. Catch up on the Association for the Study of Dreams June Conference in Hawaii, fill out a survey for Jayne Gackenbach or join in one of many research projects on dreams. If you feel you would like more education in dreams and dreaming, take a class, or join a dream group or catch a seminar. Be sure to check out the dream events in *your* area! Bob Krumhansl, who organizes all the dreams and comments sent in every month has some special words for you all about dreams and their interpretations and the effect on the community as a whole. Be sure to catch the dream section and see what other people are saying about dreams. 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If you get a chance to stop by his lucid dream art gallery, I highly recommend it. When I look at constellations, I can see what your dreams are. You'll have one million thoughts a month, but you only get five stars. Epic Dewfall -- http://www.storm.ca/~lucid/ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Many thanks to Robert Ossana for her continuing support of the online dream community and mentioning Electric Dreams in issues of the Dream Network bulletin. What, never heard of this? DREAM NETWORK A Journal Exploring Dreams & Mythology Roberta Ossana, Publisher/Editor 1337 Powerhouse Lane, Suite 22/PO Box 1026 Moab, UT 84532-3031 435/259-5936 Voice Mail/Subscriptions: 800/861-3732 Email: DreamKey@lasal.net Website: http://www.dreamnetwork.net ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= DREAM TREK By Linda Lane Magall¢n The Persistent Affirmation =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Repeatedly I ran, chased down dark corridors. Or helplessly I slipped sideways towards the edge of a cliff, unable to control the car. Yes, my recurring dreams were nightmares, and that's the norm: some sort of struggle or strife that occurs over and over again. Carl Jung thought repeating dreams indicated unresolved psychological conflict. Robert Van de Castle describes it this way, "It's as if the psyche serves as a benign bill collector who patiently sends statements about an unpaid debt until the account is settled."1 Most dreamworkers assume the conflict is from either childhood or current life. Still others stretch the time limit a bit. They factor in the repeated dream that comes true as a case of precognition. Or they acknowledge the recurrent dream that doesn't come true, because the dreamer acted to avoid the problem, and call it a warning dream. Some few will even consider that the conflict may have occurred in a past life. From future, present, near or far past, dreamworkers have developed a host of techniques to resolve the implied conflict. Gestalt dialogue, dream re-entry, dream definition analysis, lucid and Senoi dreaming: I tried all these and more to resolve my repeating dreams. But eventually I started to wonder. If a dream life full of non-repetitive nightmares can change to a dream life of neutral or positive non-repetitive dreams, what about the repeating ones? Do all recurring dreams have to be the result of unresolved conflict? At first I saw no evidence among my own dreams, so I looked elsewhere. Fellow dreamworker Will Phillips is the author of *Every Dreamer's Handbook*2 Will also writes a dream column for "The Tallahassee Democrat." He provided me with this dream of one of his readers. She told him that she'd been having her dream for about a year. Although it was always a little different each time, she said she really enjoyed each variation on this main theme: "I find myself flying above the earth, about as high as the space shuttle flies. When I look down, I can see the continents below me, and just by thinking about it, I'm actually able to change their shape. The feeling is just fantastic." Will advised the dreamer that she might review what had been happening in her waking life over the past year. Among other comments, he suggested that the dream might be evidence for "something going on in your life that is enabling you to feel in control of your world." That bit of wisdom hit home. She wrote Will: "As soon as you asked what I've been doing differently during the past year, I realized that it was just about a year ago that I first started taking my freelance writing seriously. Before that I was still treating it like a hobby while remaining primarily dependent on my work for the government. And yes, now that I'm getting regular freelance assignments on my own, I do feel like I have more control over my destiny than ever before!" No, this dream series did not signify an unmanageable conflict. Quite the contrary: it indicated something precious, new and special for the dreamer. It was as if the dream were saying, "Good for you! Good for you! Good for you!" Hey, now that's the sort of cheer that needs no resolution. And isn't it great to know that, instead of only sucker punches, our psyches have the power to give us positive strokes, too? ___________________ 1 Van de Castle, R. L. Our Dreaming Mind (NY: Ballantine Books, 1994), 341. 2 Phillip, W. Every Dreamer's Handbook (NY: Kensington, 1995). CaseyFlyer@aol.com +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Easy Dreams: Making Nightmares Pay (Part I) by Anthony Dubetz +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Its just around the corner and you have no place to hide. It knows where you are, follows you relentlessly and reads your mind. eeeek! And then you wake up. It was a nightmare and now you really would like to talk to someone. Who to Call? Anthony Dubetz, author of EASY DREAMS has a special phone line just for you! the Dream Hot line in Chicago (312) 589-2471 has been helping those puzzled by dreams for several years. "the Main thing is what your think about your dream", he says, " That is, what you must eliminate the next day." Overused parts of the personality leave other parts neglected. "Maybe your dream is actually telling you that you've reached a burn-out level in your personality. the dream might be getting a little scarier every day - it may be shouting at you." Now Anthony is making his dream wisdom available to readers of Electric Dreams and will be online answering questions about ideas and particular dreams on the ed-core mail list. If you would like to see the whole text complete, 1. you can get Tony's text, _Easy Dreams- Making Nightmares Pay_, a 41 page booklet fully explaining The Dream Hot-Line method available for $6.00 send to Anthony Dubetz, P.O. Box 34934, Chicago IL 60634 2. Or visit his site at www.dreamgate.com/dream/dubetz/ 3. Or keep reading Electric Dreams over the next few months! Note: Page numbers kept in place that correspond to the Printed book. Re-print permission by Anthony Dubetz. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Easy Dreams: Making Nightmares Pay : You're out of your element. That's what we believe happens in a dream. Part of your soul, spirit, aura, etc. leaves your body (element) while you sleep and interacts with the collective spirit of your environment. The part that leaves is your weakest part. Therefore, when you see it you've got a good idea of what you should avoid becoming when you wake up. If you can avoid becoming like your weakness, you will be strong. Also, your dream travels ahead in time toward the direction of your momentum. Because of this you have at least 24 hours notice of your own future. The next day you will be in for a close encounter with that future. Remain the way you were in your dream and that encounter will be deja vu. Now that you know why we recommend you avoid becoming like your dream but instead remain the way you were in your dream, you're ready to read the method. When you've discovered your dream's momentum and you'd prefer to travel your own path instead, I've personally taken to trying the path out to the right or left of my dream's geographical location (from where I dreamt the dream.) For example, if my dream was of a place North of where I slept, I find myself feeling stronger to the East or West. Good deja vu to you and pleasant dreams. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Preface Easy Dreams may be a revolutionary approach to understanding your dreams. It is not about dream interpretation as much as it is about how to interpret your dreams. It is not a fast read; it is a learning process Anthony Dubetz shows you how to find the middle of your dream, its impression, the message and steps in or- der to act on that dream in your daily life. Stress is a common problem in today's society and distress "from friends, clergy, physicians, psychiatrists, druggists, travel agents, and prayer. Seldom do they seek help from dreams. Yet dreams are the most effective help because they are a part of your totality; they have a personal stake in your well-being and happiness. Then too, your dreams are always available." You have your own answers within, if you will take the time and effort to access them. Mr. Dubetz talks about the dEja vu experience as a a means of transforming one's personality. He doesn't mention precognitive dreaming as such, but I think this is what is implied here. Precognition is the ability to sense something that will happen in the future. It has been determined in spontaneous case studies that ESP material is more frequently obtained through dreams than in the waking state. We can seek out our potential and abilities through such material. In fact, precognitive dreaming is the most commonly reported ESP experience in our society. In other words, at present, we are most comfortable with an unconscious ability displaced into the future. If we practice the techniques described in this booklet, we may be able to verify this experience and bring our precognitive ability to consciousness. Dr. J.L. Mitchell Author, Out of Body Experience ----------------------------------------------------------------- Introduction How many times have you fallen from a cliff and survived to tell about it? How many times have you flown without wings? How many times have you been killed and lived to speak of it as if nothing really happened? Never, I'll bet, in this reality. But all of us have experienced these things in the other reality called dreams. Imagine this is your dream. You're in a trench in World War I. An explosion oc- curs nearby and the earth upheaved by that explosion comes down on you and buries you alive. You are about to suffocate to death when you awake from the dream. You have awakened from the dream but find yourself in a trench just like the one in the dream and the fear of dream is rested. Everything you see before you is what in a trench just like the one in the dream and the fear of suffocation from your dream is still so strong you scream at your fellow soldiers in the trench to get out. You warn them that a bomb is going to explode any second very near the trench and that it will bury you all alive. They think you're crazy and so you give up trying to save their necks and you climb out of the trench as fast as you can. No sooner do you climb out before a huge explosion occurs nearby which covers the trench with the earth it blasted away. All of your comrades are buried alive in the trench. Because of the way you escaped this death, you now think you are divinely chosen for a great purpose. The earth that tried to suffocate you in your dream represents all the inferior peoples of the world. They must be eliminated before they bury the rest of your comrades in the trench. You have interpreted a dream and it is your inspiration. You will never forget it. This dream saved your life and ordained you a knight. Your name is Adolph Hitler and nothing will stop you from your world crusade 2 Anyone can see the power and influence of this dream and the calamity that can come from misreading the messages of dreams. Read correctly with me along the way of dreams and your dreams will strengthen your life instead of causing doubt, anxiety, or possibly destruction. Dreams properly read will lead you to your destiny. They will show you where not to tread and which path to avoid on the road to life's fulfillment. You need to know two things about the dream in order to be advised by it. You need to know the middle and the impression of the middle. Read chapters one and two carefully and try the examples along the way with me so you may be adept at finding the middle and the dreamer's impression of that middle while he dreamt it. Good luck and lots of money I can't guarantee but comfort in your own well-being I can begin to show you. Look at it this way, the message in your dream is like a flash of light from a lighthouse on a foggy night. A captain knows this light is telling him that rocky shores are ahead; stay clear - you're heading in the wrong direction. An adventurous child who got caught in the fog on a boat he stole for a joy ride might think he was real smart and head straight for the beacon of light. Right straight into the rocks, right straight into the hereafter. Hitler took the course of the child and instead of sailing away from the light of his dream, he headed straight for that light, wrecked his soul and a ship with millions aboard. His childish fears and delusions of grandeur coupled with the power he held was a recipe for disaster. Read this book and learn how to sail away from the lighthouses in your dreams and live to sail on and on and on. 3 ----------------------------------------------------------------- I. The Middle I use the term "middle" to denote the strongest impression you get from your dream and because this strongest impression is usually the middle ground between two different spatial references like up and down or right and left. Between right and left there is a middle ground as there is between up and down. The horizon line is the middle between up and down and the area between your right eye and your left eye is also a middle ground. A borderline between two countries is a middle ground between the two countries. The important thing to remember is the concept of middle. That way you do not have to look in a dream dictionary to find out whether a particular symbol is the middle of a dream. Instead, you decide for yourself which symbol best fits the definition middle as I described it. The middle may be an idea that is the difference between two opinions expressed in a dream, so don't let ideas pass by your scrutiny because they are not seen, heard, felt, or thought, but it must be in the middle. Here's an example of what I mean: You're dreaming now and creeping up on your husband while he sleeps in the bedroom. You're bashing him over the head with a softball bat. You're bashing him to death. Let's find the middle symbol in this dream. There is the husband sleeping, the softball bat, and the husband being beaten. There is you, the dreamer, also but unless you actually see yourself or a part of yourself in the dream, you should eliminate yourself from the search for the middle symbol. I'll go into more detail later about when you might consider yourself as a middle symbol. Getting back to the dream, I mentioned the husband, in two states - the state of sleep and the state of injury. If the symbol changes appearances or mood you have an easy way to find the middle because 4 between the two states of before and before and after there is always a middle state. In this dream the state between sleep for the husband and his deadly state that followed was the state of assault with the softball bat. The softball bat was the middle of this dream be- cause it was between the husband's sleep and death and because it created the strongest impression, an example so strong it can kill. Here's another example: You're dreaming you're in a parking lot and you are swinging a long piece of chain over your head, making the people near you jump. You like this and don't stop because it feels so good. Review the above dream by yourself now and see if you can find the middle symbol. I have been using the word "symbol" because we do not consider the things and people in our dreams to be real. We call them symbols because they are too real to be forgotten and too unreal to be remembered. Symbol is as good a word as any. If you have now reviewed the dream and made your choice for middle symbol, let me show you my choice. There is a parking lot, the chain and the people; the state of standing and the state of jumping. So between these two states there has to be some middle state. The chain swinging dangerously close to them created the difference between the two states. The chain is my choice for the middle symbol. The chain also created a strong impression. Here's another dream. I dreamed I saw a narrow gulley with running water. A small dam was in the gulley and it was in shaky condition. I was worried it was coming apart. I awakened. 5 Using the method we used in the first two dreams, see if you can find the middle symbol. What will you choose? Did you choose the dam? The dam was the middle symbol because it created a strong impression of worry and it was the middle ground between the two sides of the gulley. Now we now the middle ground of your dream is between different sides and creates a strong impression. The soft- ball bat created the ground between life and death; the chain created the difference between jumping and standing still, and the dam created the difference between one side of the gulley and the other. Going back a little farther, the dirt that filled the trench in Hitler's dream was the differ- ence between the explosion and the trench he was in and it certainly, along with the other middle symbols we have looked for, created a strong impression. Here is a dream that might be a little more difficult. You dream you heard a prowler outside your unlocked door. You go to the door, lock it, but it still seems loose and you feel that the prowler is getting close and the door won't hold. Now you awaken. In this dream there are two strong impressions created by a prowler and the door. You might not be sure which of the two symbols, the prowler or the door, best fits the middle symbol's quality of creating two different sides. Is it now the prowler or the door? If you picked the door, you are correct. The door creates the safety on your side and the danger on the outside. The door is therefore, the middle. The middle has the magical quality to hold different things in common as well as creating differences between things or people. Now we know that the middle creates differences and unites or holds these differences in common. Here's an example of the middle's ability 6 to hold differences in common. You're dreaming again and... You see a large black and white bird flying overhead. The bird makes you smile broadly. What's the middle symbol in that last bird dream? Did you pick the bird? The bird is the middle symbol because it holds the colors black and white in common and it created a strong impression in the dream. The bird, because it was flying also was the middle ground between where it came from and where it was flying to. Try another dream. A man dreamt he say his por- trait turning more and more ugly before his very eyes. What is the middle symbol? The portrait is the middle symbol because it holds the ability to make different appearances, to be the difference between before and hold both these state together. Although a symbol of the middle is not too often a self-portrait or image of the dreamer himself, it can be the strongest impression you will ever get from a dream. What is the middle in the following short dream? Two men are chasing you for revenge. There seems to be nothing separating the two men or creating a middle ground between them but there is something that holds them in common and that is that they are both chasing you. The chasing is the middle, and come to think of it, a chase is the middle ground between where the men came from and where they are chasing to. This is a very good example of a dream that has a middle symbol that fits all three qualifications the middle might have. The chase creates a strong impression; the chase holds both men in common, 7 and it also is the ground between where the men were and where they want to be. You should be getting pretty good at finding the middle of dreams, or at least have a pretty good grasp of how to look for the middle. I'm going to give you three dreams in . a row now without telling you what I think the middle is until all three dreams are read. So, you're on your own now for a little while. Don't peek ahead to see if you chose correctly. Wait until you have decided what the middle is in each of the following three dreams I. I dreamt I was in a cafeteria and I was offered a choice of dessert be tween cherry or banana cream pie. I immediately chose the banana cream pie, but on second thought remembered I had been disciplining myself not to eat pies at all. What is the middle? II. You are sitting in a majestic throne in a large cathedral. A man and a woman of nobility kneel before you and on your head set the crown of the realm. What is the middle? III. There was a train station I was sur prised to be in and a train with a large light approaching. I was sur prised when it passed me by without even stopping. What is the middle? You should have the middle symbol of each of these three dreams now figured out. Here are my three choices 8 for the middle symbol. In dream number one, a decision between one pie and another had to be made. The decision was the middle between the two pies. In dream number two, the dreamer is sitting in a cathedral. Two people are kneeling in allegiance to the throne of the land. Between the throne and the two people kneeling is the crown which the dreamer wears. The crown is the middle. In dream number three, there was a train station which was ap proached by a train and passed by the train. Between the approach of the train and its passing was the station. It was the middle symbol. The three middle symbols were a decision, a crown and a station. How do your choices compare with mine? Two out of three isn't bad. Do three in a row again; in fact, let's try four. Write down in the margins of the book your choice for middle symbol this time so you can't hedge on what you chose when we compare. I. A man held a paper I had writ ten and pointed to it. He said he thought there was too much expounding in it. I agreed. II. You are in Switzerland and about to leave for home when you remember you haven't seen the Alps. Some people told you if you go to the end of a certain pier you could see them, the Alps. You have two hours to spare, so you decide to take their suggestion and go out on the pier. From the pier across the lake you see the Alps. They are very pretty and you begin now to head for the airport and home. III. I'm being chased by a crowd of people but I am confident I know exactly where I'm running to. I see a mansion I have never seen 9 or been to before but I feel I lose my pursuers. I enter and run with great confidence through the corridors and al ways know exactly which turn to take. I'm out the back door and the people chasing me are nowhere in sight. IV. You see a large diamond with a round top and a point on the bottom. It has a gray sheen over it but you think this is some thing unclear in your vision and not something wrong with the diamond. Did you remember to write down in the margin or on a piece of paper your choices for middle symbol? Compare them now with my choices. In the first dream what the man thought about the paper was the middle between the paper and himself. His thoughts were what separated himself from the paper. The thought is the middle. In the second dream the pier was the middle symbol, because it allowed you the time spent between what you thought was the end of your stay in Switzerland and the actual time you had to leave. The two hours between your original thoughts of leaving and when you actually left were spent on the pier seeing the Alps. That is the middle symbol. The third dream in which the dreamer was chased by a crowd of people has a mansion between the dreamer being chased and the dreamer losing his chasers. The mansion is the middle symbol. And, in the fourth dream of a large diamond with a grey sheen, the middle is the grey sheen. That greyness was the difference between the diamond's true clear char acter and how the dreamer actually saw it. How's your batting average so far? You should give yourself plenty of time and not try to rush your 10 decisions on the middle choice. Remember you are only be ginning and some of these dreams are pretty tricky. Try a few more; take your time, and though I have picked dreams which I'm quite certain about, don't be hesitant to disagree with my choices. Maybe we'll be in more agreement as the book progresses. Listen to these dreams. I was walking at night when fly- ing saucers appeared in the sky. One of them came down right in front of me, but I stood my ground and stared it right in the eye. The next thing I knew I was in a hospital room and two of my friends were asking my sister how I was doing. She facial burns from the saucer and told them I had received severe I then realized my face was ban- daged though I could not see it. Here we have the dreamer walking at night and later bandaged in a hospital room. What happened in between these two settings is the middle of the dream. What was that middle? Do you remember? The saucer, the flying saucer was the middle of the dream. It was the difference between health and hospitalization. Let the next dream's middle symbol be entirely your choice. She was walking in a valley when she saw a corral full of sheep. She walked up to the corral and opened the gate and led all the sheep away up the mountainside. , I'm not going to give you my choice for the middle symbol because I'd like you to begin becoming inde pendent in your decisions. Try this one with only a few hints from me as 11 to where you should not look. I'm looking out onto an hori- zon at sea. The sky and the water are almost exact in color and hard to distinguish one from the other. A whale in technicolor moves now from left to right across the horizon grinning and mumb- ling threats at me. I'm frightened and run for help. Make a choice on your own now. Which is the middle symbol? Here is a clue. It's not the sea. This is an easy one that follows, and you can use a dream we did together a little while ago to clue you into the middle. You see your pet parakeet is gone from his cage and find him in the snow outside. He is not his normal color but is instead all white in a mudlike snow that is all black. Despite the cold temperature the bird stretches his wings as though he were in a Florida garden. I think about his strange color, all white with black eyes. The middle here is not the mud or the cold. Check back to a similar dream if you're not sure. This is the last one I will ask you to do on your own for a while. We'll do the rest in this chapter together. My grandfather and I are sur- rounded by young women dressed in matching jogging suits, some yellow and some red. They were very threatening. I grabbed my grandfather's arm and said, 12 "Look, my grandfather and I have not seen each other twelve years. We are trying to get to know each other again. We don't need people bothering us." The girls apologized and went away crying. Here I immediately seize the term "surrounded." Sur rounded implies a middle. That middle was the dreamer and the grandfather. The dreamer is usually eliminated so that leaves the grandfather surrounded and an easy middle symbol to find. Is that the one you would have chosen? I dreamed that Bruce had spent the night at my house and had gotten up and left before I woke up. I saw that the house was a wreck. He had destroyed everything, broken it all and strewn it around. Then Bruce came in and began shouting and shrieking in that scary, cynical way Bruce had. He suspected me of having an af- fair and was very hurt and it came out like this. I kept thinking all he was saying and doing was not in his temperament, or was it? What was the middle symbol in this dream? Here's how I had it figured. There was a before and after con dition in this dream. There was the peace of sleep before and the scene of destruction after. Between these two conditions there was Bruce who caused both the peace and the destruction and who seemed to engender two different personalities. Bruce was the middle symbol because he was dividing a relationship and uniting two different moods. I think we're beginning to work together well now. Let's do one final dream before we go on to chapter two. 13 I am visiting some rich people's house. I go in the bathroom to take and shower and wash my hair. A commuter train goes through the house for the con- venience of the rich people. Once I get to the bathroom, every time I start to step into the shower I'm interrupted by people coming into the bath room to talk to me and deliver my breakfast. I'm naked but don't really care. Here is a dream with two middle symbols. I'll do one and you do the other. If you don't mind I'll go first and you do the one that's left. The difference between the dreamer's intention to take a shower and her actually get ting into the shower is the constant stream of interruptions by people wanting to talk with or give her breakfast. These interruptions are a middle symbol. The other middle symbol in this dream comes before the interruptions. When there is more than one middle symbol, which most often is the case with dreams of some length, there is a very close similarity in them. This allows you to cross-check them and make sure you've got the right symbol for the middle. If they match in similarity you know you have chosen correctly. The similarity is not visual, and in fact, two middle symbols can look completely different and still be similar. For example, in the dream we have just done together, I picked the people interrupting the dreamer's shower to be one middle symbol, and you picked the train that ran through the house to be the other. People and trains don't look alike, so how could they be similar? Here's how. The commuter train was giving the dreamer the impression it ran through the house. The impression it gave was convenience for one side but not necessarily for the rest of the train line. The other middle symbol, the people interrupting the dreamer's shower, gave the dreamer the impression that these people were doing their thing, that is getting their conversations in 14 the dreamer and keeping their breakfast schedule on time, but at the inconvenience of the dreamer. She said she didn't care about the inconvenience. The two middle symbols we chose are similar because they both give the impression that they are convenient. Thus, from two middle symbols we receive one similar impression, which is convenient. The impression is the step that leads us from the middle symbol to the actual message of the dream. So let us get on to that step called the impression. To subscribe to ed-core and discuss dreams with Tony, send To: ed-core-request@lists.best.com In the body of your email put only subscribe your-email NEXT month: The Impression. To make the dream work for you in waking life, you will need a good sense or impression of this dream. Tony will explain this concept and show how to practice and bring this into your waking life. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ DIVINE MESSAGES : DIVINE DESTINY AND THE TRINITY " Dr. D Divine Destiny and the concept of the Trinity by Dr. D +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ In last month's column, I briefly exposed the Divine Origin of dreams... and consequently in this article, we shall look in the opposite direction in order to see where our dreams are trying to lead us... which is obviously towards our Divine Destiny! Sounds very complicated.... but actually, it is very simple! You see when the Creator, invented the dream mode, it was to pass guidance and instruction... not only in regards to what we should do, but also to give us a good idea about the Other Eternal Spiritual World to which we all aspire... unless some of you would rather decrepit instead of profiting of the Eternal Life... the blissful state of Immortality! In order to reach this Spiritual state, one must be well informed in regards to Celestial Knowledge...and be fully convinced...which implies to believe, in full "Seeing" faith, in the existence of the Spiritual World! So, usually, the processes to life eternal begins by realizing, from the messages contained in certain dreams, that we never really die, because we rebirth all the time, until we come to the definite point of realization that we also exist, in permanence, in the Other World, in beautiful immortal bodies...and that there is no need to undergo the sempiternal cycle of mortal and painful "life and death" continuously, all the time! Therefore, in a first step in this unfoldment of our Destiny, we shall see to the abolishment of the misconception of Death! Secondly, in a second step, we shall proceed to the recognition and the strong establishment of the Spiritual Realm ... not only in Heaven, but also on Earth! And, thirdly, in a third step, we shall see to liberate the old guiding souls which will have duly accomplished their long missions and allow them to remain in the Spiritual Realm, because they won't be needed down here anymore, and the earth will continue to serve as a school to the young souls in their own maturing process towards the reward of their own Immortality. So, today, we shall begin to explain the logical concept of the immortality of the soul, by explaining the meaning of the word "Resurrection of the Dead".... which is accomplished in dreams, as stated in the Bardo Thodol, or the Tibetan Book of the Dead .... and please read these lines carefully... "O ye Conquerors and your Sons, abiding in the Ten Directions, O ye Ocean-like Congregation of the All-Good Conquerors, the Peaceful and the Wrathful, .....lead us along the Path. May the Gurus of the Inspired Line lead us, ..... Along the bright light-path of the Mirror-like Wisdom, May we be placed in the state of perfect Buddhahood. Along the bright light-path of the Wisdom of Equality, May the Bhagavan Ratna-Sambhava ( King Jewel-Born...(the Jewel=Horse ))...lead us, May the Mother, She-of-the-Buddha-Eye (The Horse) be our rear-guard, Along the bright light-path of the Wisdom of Reality, May the Mother of Great Space (our Spirit) be our rear-guard, Along the bright light-path of the Simultaneously-born Wisdom, May the heroic Knowledge-Holders lead us, May it come that the Realms of the Buddhas be seen, Grasping the True nature of dreams, May I train myself in the clear Light of the Miraculous Transformation. May I recognize whatever appareth as being my own Spiritual forms, May the Trinity be realized. O ye Conquerors, exercising the power of your Compassion, Let it come that the Gloom of Ignorance be dispelled, Let it come that the Conquerors may dispel the Miseries, Let it come that I see with the celestial eyes of Bright Wisdom. Let it come that all sentient beings... Without jealousy, obtain birth on the higher planes. Obtaining the power of being born anywhere, for the good of others, Let it come that I obtain the perfect body, adorned with signs and the graces, Obtaining for myself the body of a male (which is) the better*** Let it come that I liberate all who see or hear me; Allowing not the evil karma to follow me, let it come that whatever merits (be mine) follow me and be multiplied. Wherever I be born, there and then, Let it come that I meet the Conquerors, Being able to walk and talk as soon as born,(spiritual birth) Let it come that I obtain the non-forgetting intellect and remember my past lives. Let it come that I be able to obtain mastery merely upon hearing, reflecting and seeing; In whatever place I be born, let it be auspicious; Let it come that all sentient beings be endowed with happiness. Ye Conquerors, in likeness of your bodies, And in likeness to the goodness of your divine name, Let it come that I, and others, equal your very selves in all these. And by the gift-waves of the wholly pure Reality, Let it come that whatsoever be wished for be fulfilled here and now. Let the radiant glory of auspiciousness come to illuminate the World." .......................................... .............. Ok! from this excellent revelation from the Guru Padma-Sambhava, we can isolate the main lines... "Along the bright light-path of the Mirror-like Wisdom, May we be placed in the state of perfect Buddhahood. Along the bright light-path of the Simultaneously-born Wisdom, May the heroic Knowledge-Holders lead us, May it come that the Realms of the Buddhas be seen, Grasping the True nature of dreams, May I train myself in the clear Light of the Miraculous Transformation. May I recognize whatever appareth as being my own Spiritual forms, May the Trinity be realized. O ye Conquerors, exercising the power of your Compassion, Let it come that the Gloom of Ignorance be dispelled, Wherever I be born, there and then, Let it come that I meet the Conquerors, Being able to walk and talk as soon as born,(spiritual birth) Let it come that I obtain the non-forgetting intellect and remember my past lives. Let the radiant glory of auspiciousness come to illuminate the World." ....and, what this text says, is very simple. Someone will come, the reincarnation of the great Gurus, the Great Conquerors of the past, who from his dreams, will realize his Trinity and will have the intellect to remember his past lives... a faculty which is, just like dreams, inherent in all of us... and will illuminate the whole World, in this regard. That's all! Similarly, Jesus said... "I am the Light of the World" John 8,12 and 9,5... and "I tell you the Truth, except a man be reborn, he cannot see the Kingdom of God." John 3,3 and again ..." You should not be surprised at my saying, "You must be born again." John 3,7. This is very easy to understand and very clear... and I strongly recommend that everyone should read the whole of John 3...at least up to 3,22. Also, in the same divine perspective, one should read ...I Corinthians 15, 24 to 26...which last prophetical sentence says... " The last enemy to be destroyed is death." ...which goes along with the beginning of the 21rst of Revelation which says among other things... " And I saw a new heaven and a new earth...." " Behold the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death...." ...and of course ..."Every eye shall see Him...even those who pierced Him (1970 some years ago!)..." This is very clear and very simple...and cannot be interpreted otherwise... and if you don't believe in this...too bad so sad...if you don't realize that what is really at stake is your own access to the eternal realm! So, keep them eyes open, as we dream for a special reason! Now, to illustrate, how it works...let's take a dream... ........................................ ... On the field of glory Posted by G. Frilund on December 04, 1997 at 15:17:50: Hello, this dream really fascinated me: I was standing in the first line of a Napoleonic unit marching forward to battle. My friends in the unit were dying like flies all around me as the enemy opened fire at us, we were quite close to them , so the fire had a bloody effect. As we approached them, we halted and returned fire, I also fired my musket at one of the enemy soldiers. Napoleonic rifles had to be reloaded after one shot, and we did not have the time for that. An enemy officer was riding in front of the enemy lines a bit to the right. The enemy then engaged us in melee, and I remember almost panicking, as they were coming towards us with their bayonets on. The fear made me want to run away, but I couldn't; the formation had to be maintained at every cost. The bullets were flying all around us and my mates in my unit were falling and dying all around me. I felt left out, alone in the field of battle. Then I panicked, and started running, almost flying, between the lines of the fighting units towards the enemy officer to the right. That was when I died, probably shot to death between the front lines. I flew away like an angel, watching the battlefield from above, I felt secure now. Before I went away, I had to say goodbye to one of my friends who was serving in the same army as myself. He was on a hill, just behind the main battle, and was obviously a high ranking officer. He was very happy to see me and smiled to me as I went away to heaven, or wherever. I'm very interested in Napoleon and his era, therefore this dream was not unpleasant, instead it was entertaining. The fear I felt as the enemy was approaching was something very special, and the need to keep calm, not to break the formation. Also, the units on the battlefield looked like icons in a computer wargame I have, only the warriors were real. There. Exciting, huh? :) G. Frilun ----------------------------------------------------------------- ------- So, having had similar dreams myself, my reply to Göran was very simple... so I told him that his soul was or actually is immortal and that he was there... and that the soul often remembers how it's flesh carcass died in previous lives... and he could not see any better logic than that! So simple, that this truth could make a guy like Carl Jung cringe with embarrassment! But these dreams of ghosts of previous lives often get complicated... because every single time that we come to birth a new ghost is born from the lines of the new incarnation... so, as a result the more times that you came ...the more ghosts that you have. In my personal case, I came so many times...that when my ghosts decide to take me out... we have to take a train! This is true! Let me try to illustrate with an example....which goes along with a little background stated in Luke 9, 18 to 27, when Jesus asked the following question to his disciples.... " Who do the crowds say I am ? "...." They replied, " Some say John the Baptist ; others say Elijah ; and still others, that one of the prophets of long ago has come back to life." " But what about you? " he asked. " Who do you say I am? " Peter answered, " The Christ of God." (The very interesting part was ...."One of the Prophets of long ago who came back to life... like Eli, for example!!!) In reply, Jesus strictly warned them not to tell this to anyone. And he said, " The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, chief priests and teachers of the law and he will be killed...but he will raise to life (eternal)." " For whoever wants to save his life will loose it, but whoever looses his life for me will save it." " If anyone is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when he comes in his Father's Glory with the Holy Angels. I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Kingdom of God come in power." ( some details from Mark 9, 1 ) And 6 days later Jesus took his friends for a little communal dream experience to show them who he was in his previous lives.... as in those days it was fashionable to sleep in bunches underneath trees and in grottos... in order to be part of the same dream... and to be able to see the same things.... " Peter and his companions were very sleepy, but when they became fully awake, they saw his glory and the two men standing with him." ( Luke 9,32) " ...the appearance of his face changed, and his clothes became as bright as a flash of lightning. Two men Moses and Elijah appeared in Glorious splendor, talking with Jesus."( Luke 29 -31) " There he was transfigured before them. His face shone like the Sun, and his clothes became as white as the light." ( Matthew 17, 2 ) " Then appeared before them Elijah and Moses who were talking with Jesus." ( both in Mark 9, 4 and Matthew 17, 3 ) ..... and a voice was heard.... Elijah or Moses spoke and in either case..."The Lord of Before" said..... " This is my Son, whom .... I have chosen (Luke 9, 35)....I love, with him I am well pleased. (Mat. 17, 5 ) Listen to him! " ( Luke, Mark 9,7 and Matthew) " When the disciple heard this, they fell face down to the ground, terrified." (Mat. 17,6) " They were so frightened." ( Mark 9,6) .... and this is very normal and the reason why he is at times called the " Great King of Terror". " As they were coming down from the Mountain, Jesus gave them orders not to tell anyone what they had seen until the Son of Man had risen from the dead. They kept the matter to themselves, discussing what "Rising of the Dead " meant." Mark ( 9, 9 - 10 ) So, all of this to show that "Reincarnation" or "Resurrection of the Dead" is exactly the same thing! Bingo! Transfiguration means "Changing Figure" and transmigrating into our different bodies... " Adam...his soul passed by transmigration into David...his soul transmigrated into the Messiah!" (extract from the Talmud, as exposed in Hershon's "Treasuresof the Talmud" p.242) ...... which explains the mysterious phenomena of Rebirth...which is prevalent in all faiths! But, there is one more thing, which is revealed in some other much rarer type of dream....a Trinitarian dream, which is called the "Baptism", and which is a revelation of the Individual Guardian Spirit of an Individual. It is the Mother in the Trinity... the essential and eternal body..... let me illustrate...with a few dreams... Alpha Wolf Initiation Posted by Demetrios on September 20, 1997 at 00:24:18: Wolfdream: I am in a rural area...very remote...up in mountains..not rocky but tundra-like. It is night, no moon, only the stars for illumination, yet it is very clear and very bright. I am in a small house. Outside there are trees and a meadow. Out in the middle of the meadow there is a small couch. I walk to it and sit down. The couch has been placed here as an observation point to watch for Spirit wolves. I sit down and relax and wait. From the edge of the forest at the far side of the meadow I see movement. Several animals are rapidly approaching. They look like shadows and yet have distinct form. As I watch them their number multiplies as they run and now there are about 8 or 9 of them. They are wolves but do not appear to be solid. They begin to run in a very wide circle around the couch I am sitting on. I can see them very clearly in the starlight. As I am watching them run, I am surprised by the presence of a wolf directly behind me. At first I am only aware of its deep, heavy breathing. I sit very motionless, waiting to see what it will do. It gives me a little push with its nose, as if to test my reaction. I remain absolutely still. The animal walks around in front of me and stops, staring intensely into my eyes. I sense that it is a male wolf, in fact it is the Alpha wolf of the pack I have been watching. He is a magnificent animal. He weighs about 200 pounds and has exquisite silver and black markings in his face and fur. There is very focused and inquisitive intelligence in its' eyes.. He begins to bump me again with his nose..wanting my to touch him. I slowly reach up my hands and begin to scratch his head, carefully controlling my actions so as not to scare him off. My scratching evolves into stroking as I begin to outline his beautiful facial features with my hands. He is very responsive to my touch and demonstrates acceptance and affection at my caresses. I put my arms around him and begin to hug him in close. For a moment I feel fear as I remember that this is a predator who could do me very serious damage if he turned aggressive. But I let that thought pass and trust the integrity I feel from the animal I now am holding in my arms. Sensing my own acceptance and surrender to vulnerability, the wolf responds in kind and begins to shower me with affection, pawing and pushing and rubbing against me like an eager little puppy. I am shocked at the great strength of the animal. Though he is only playing and being affectionate with me, he is pushing me around as if I were a small child. I become aware that the other wolves have now joined us. They sit in a closed circle watching what is happening. Suddenly, the wolf in my arms pulls away. He moves back from me and stares intently into my eyes. All the wolves are staring at me, none of them are moving. The big wolf turns and unexpectedly "sprays" me like a cat, covering me with a sticky, smelly liquid. At first I am repulsed, but control my urge to duck the discharge, and sit quietly while the spraying continues. And then it stops and the big wolf turns to me and stares again for a moment, than he is all over me nuzzling, gently nipping and licking me. The other wolves join in, all demonstrating extreme affection and closeness. I realize I have been initiated into their pack by the spraying from the Alpha wolf. I now "smell" like one of them. The display of affection is intense. All the wolves are trying to get in to nuzzle or lick me. I am aware only of fur and faces and paws pushing, prodding, making contact with me. I think in the dream that under different circumstances I could be an animal this pack has hunted down and this frenzied activity would be what would occur during their "kill", except it would not be play but death the wolves were intent on. I am almost exhausted from all the activity when the big wolf pulls back and the others follow. They all again stare at me with acceptance and intensity. And than they are gone. Just disappear. I get up and walk back to the couch, euphoric and somewhat in an altered state. I go into the cabin and Patty is there. She immediately reacts in a negative way to my smell and I awake before I can explain to her what has happened. end. ----------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Follow Ups: Individual Spirit Initiation ? Gerald 06:39:57 9/21/97 (0) ----------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Dear Mr. Demetrios, this is a most wonderful and revealing dream and thank you for sharing it with all of us. Dreams come in a wide range of categories.... guidance, instruction, warnings.... but this particular one applies to the personal identification section. Personally, I call these dreams as "Trinitarians" and I base my assumptions on the Root Verses of the Bardo Thodol or Tibetan Book of the Dead which state.... " Grasping the true nature of dreams may I train myself in the Clear Light of the miraculous Transformation .... May I recognize whatever apareth as being my own Spiritual forms.... May the Trinity be realized...." Urgyan, circa 750 A.D ....you know ...."realize"....as in "I see something and realize that it is ..." It is very well known that among Amerindian cultures, and not among them alone the acquisition of a Guardian Spirit, which may be lodge in an animal or a plant.... is the essential content of the initiation ritual. Your individual Trinity consists of three bodies, all of them being animated by the same unique soul or mind.... namely... #1..... "Alpha" the wolf...who is your individual eternal Guarding Angel.... your own individual Spirit of which you are the earthly manifestation. ( Knowing of similar experiences, I am quite certain that when you hugged the Wolf, when your heads got close together, there was a certain form of telepathic exchange between you and the Beast.) #2..... is You.... the mortal dreamer #3.... "The Lucky Demetrios dancing with the Wolves" , the one in the dream getting licked by the whole pack.... who is not the same as Demetrios who is sleeping in his bed ....while this one is outside getting kissed by wolves. This particular one is of the same nature as the eternal Spirit and shall have no end. Just for fun, this is not a rule but often the Spirit chooses to manifest at times determined by Astrology. Would you, by any chance, be born the Chinese year of the Dog? Would you like to hear about similar dreams? ...or get more info on anything revolving around this " special mind-expanding theory ".... feel free to ask. My pleasure. In any case, nice meeting you Mr.Wolf and again congradulations! Cheers, Gerald ----------------------------------- follow-up to Gerald Posted by Demetrios on October 01, 1997 at 00:47:19: In Reply to: Individual Spirit Initiation ? posted by Gérald on September 21, 1997 at 06:39:57: Thank you for your insight into my dream psyche. Yes, I was born in the Chinese year of the dog. Sirius is my home, but that is another story. Wolf has come to me many times in both the sleep cosmos and in what we recognize as the "waking" state. ................................................................. .......... ........and look at this one.... Ouroboras & snakes Posted by Shana on November 25, 1997 at 12:52:38: The following dream came to me on the first night that I reluctantly began taking lithium for manic depression : My bed was full of squirming snakes of every description. They weren't biting eventho my legs were covered with them. Circling my bed was a snake with it's tail in it's mouth, rolling like a hoop - around and around and around... That's when I woke up. I've since learned that the hoop snake is called an Ouroboras and I've read several different interpretations of it's appearance and it's symbolism. What do you think? S. ................................................................. ........... The Ouroboros, the symbol of reincarnation itself, circling around her bed in a dream.... this is her own Spirit.... and may be I should show you mine....my own individual Spirit... a Spirit which is very famous around the World.... The Winged-Horse Dream During the Night of Saint-John the Baptist of 1981, I had a very strange "Lucky Feeling Dream". After the usual traditional Celebrations of our "National" Patron, I peacefully fell asleep in my "customized" bed... in my school bus...which was my nomadic house at the time...which was then parked under a large Willow tree, on the farm of a friend of mine, located some 25 miles N.E. of Ottawa. It was one of those, thunder and lightening hot humid summer night....this is why I call it the "Spirit in the Sky". In the dream, when my soul, my mind, my consciousness, my anima woke up.....I was without body.....floating outside of my school bus....in the almost total obscurity of the Night. As in real life it took a while before my eyes got adjusted to this minimal intensity of light condition. Yet, I wasn't feeling any alteration of consciousness.... seeing, feeling, smelling and hearing everything as usual. Once my vision got accustomed to darkness and could discern things, I expanded my scope (of vision) and saw directly in front of me, at may be 30 feet distance... an "Illuminated" human form, standing alone immobile, "radiating" in the darkness. To my utmost surprise, I soon came to realize that this "Ghost", which was dressed in jeans, Afghan long shirt and sandals, looked exactly like myself at the time. Then, as I was wondering in my mind ...if this shining body was really me?...and if so, what was I doing alone immobile in the darkness of the night?..... a very strange happening occurred. My soul transmigrated in the head of this luminescent "Speculum" or "Spectre" or "Mirror" of myself. For a short laps of a moment, it was obscurity in the New Body, but opening my eyes ....I could see through my orbits...closing either eyes the luminescent tip of my nose. Then, bending my head and raising my hands...I observed that my hands as well as the rest of my body was luminous to my own view...and touching hands then other parts of my shining body...I realized that it was feeling the exact same as the other one of my body....the one which I am more familiar with which was sleeping in the Bus. So, I said to myself..." Holy Smoke! What is this?" I did not know what to think. Was I Dead? Is this Death or After Life? In any case, I felt good, and still myself in this New Condition....and couldn't care less about the rest...but I only thought that this was only one of these OOBE.... Again, just as in the previous stage, there was no alteration, whatsoever, of consciousness and I was still feeling exactly as myself in my own skin. However, I was again questioning myself as to the logic reason and purpose of my presence in this state....and yet had some strong intuitive impressions that something was just about to happen. Suddenly, in the calmness of the Rainless Moment, among remote and sporadic Thunder and far-sighted Lightenings, I began hearing some constantly increasing strange unfamiliar noises originating from high above. I looked at the Zenith...trying to locate the source of these sounds....but the calm, yet dense, low clouds whitened by the Moon's Glow were preventing such immediate observation of this approaching thing whatever it was. It appeared to me that these sounds were very similar to those made by large fluttering wings....like those created by a large bird in verticular descent to the nest. But what I heard among them was very totally incredible....because these already strange noises were accompanied by occasionnal "Neighings"....yes..."Neighings of a Horse"!!! As the noises were constantly amplifying....giving the strong indication that this thing was getting obviously closer every second...my eyes were riveted to the point in the clouds where I thought they were coming from....wondering if my dream was going to end before I would see this thing which was taking a long time to appear....so far it was coming from. To my unashamed incredibility, finally, in a spontaneous "Whirlwind"...the dense clouds opened up...straight above...exactly where I was expecting...to reveal an unbelievably majestic "Winged Horse"..."Pompuos Hippous Ass first" ...mightily beating the air with its large wings, in order to slow down its rapid and straight vertical descent to the Earth... straight above me. From my position, I felt the major air displacements created by such Beast and was able to recognize through them the distinctive characteristic smell of Horse's Sweat!!! The Incredible Flying Horse was, just like my New Self, also luminescent in darkness, and carrying its trajectory, finally landed ....touching the ground hind legs first, immediate to me, slightly rubbing my right side ...flank to flank. A most remarkable detail was to notice an unexpected feature of this magic Horse was the presence of a trio of super thin translucid dancing flames, about a feet high and located at the shoulders and junction of the wings...surrounding on 3 sides, except the front, what appeared to be a natural saddle spot of different hair colour. Then, the Winged Horse, turning its head backward, fixed me straight in my eyes with its most intelligent eyes ....and telepathically invited me in a very charming way to mount Him!!! Again, one more time, I could not believe my eyes, but still it seemed obvious that He was evidently there for the specific purpose of carrying me somewhere with Him. As you may fully anticipate, knowing me a little, it was with both pure joy and honour, and without any reserve of hesitation that I, alone in the darkness, solemnly mounted It and proudly sat between the electro-magnetic flames...ready for anything. Then the "Horse of Fire", walked a few steps, ambled then started to gallop..then galloped briefly...then stretched its wings...and we were air-borne....and flew ... in the sky. I felt the wind in my face, as we , I mean the Horse , rapidly ascended. For a few moments, as I was wrapping my arms around his warm neck, in a moment of pure exaltation, I only remember seeing the lights of the small sleeping village as we entered the clouds...I had the most sincere impression of being extremely lucky of getting the rare privileged of living something else than our miserable earthly lives. Then, for another time, I wondered but this time as to the identity of the Horse... who am I was answered ... who he was(my ghost) was answered, but who was It (Horse) was not yet answered...and again, surprisingly, as in any other similar times in this story....my mind again transmigrated in the Head of the Horse... which I know, now , to be my own Spirit, but which I did not know then...and carried on through the clouds. From then on, we were in the realm of the 3 times...everything from the past, present and future became instantaneous. Firstly, I found myself...really...in a daily vision, in Bodnath, in the Kingdom of Nepal, as far as, 8 km from Kathmandu, and only 20,000 km from my actual sleeping spot, at the base of a semi-hemispherical mound known as the "Temple of the Eyes of the World"...the "Maguta Chorten" ...or "Temple of Bodnath". In another flash, I found myself in a "red brick paved yard", where an Older Lama, was surrounded by a few little long hair dogs, which I immediately recognized as Lhasa Apsos. In my mind it was saying..." You know what are these dogs....then, you will find them there, ...and you will do everything necessary to protect them... then you will know...." Then, in another flash, I spotted myself at the foot of the Highest Mountain in the World. I had no idea then, but by looking at some pictures, I soon came to realise once again that it was Mount Everest. And in my mind it was saying... " Do you need a Signature?" Then, again surprisingly, as to indicate that I was having a revelation, in a "zap", I was standing in front of an hospital bed , in a canadian style hospital room, in which I was talking to a good friend of mine, who had just recently lost his right arm, sectioned off at the biceps level!! In this vision....I asked him.. " How did this happen?".....and he replied..." An accident...I should have listened to you...and paid attention." -------------------------------------------- So, when I woke up that memorable morning, I narrated to all my friends present or in passage, the incredible "Flight in the Night" experience which I had just dreamt....I had the impression that it might be related to my Astro....and around 1PM of the same day, I was visited by Brian Burke of Buckingham and told him my dream and told him that he looked very much like the victim in my dream. I was more or less surprised to learn the same day that this premonitory vision would fulfill itself, within hours, before the SunSet of the same memorable day! Around 7 PM, we received a phone call, from the Civic Hospital in Ottawa, from Brian's Mother, telling us that her Son, had lost his right arm in the in the Sellers' Wood Chipper where Brian was working!!! The following evening I visited Brian, and it was a "Déjà Vu" exactly like in the dream with the same conversation. So, this was the first time, for me for something like this! Food for thought, in any ways! ..................................... ........... .........and by far the most interesting thing about this dream is the fact that this dream is generally known in many faiths as the Ascension".... and all the above mentioned personages... Buddha, Adam, David, Eli, Moses, Jesus....and so many more...well over a hundred of them ... have all flown on this Horse, in a dream, as stated in the case of Mohammed... and of Bellerophon, in Ancient Greece, was this particular dream was correctly interpreted as an Allegory of the Immortality of the Soul. So, if you don't mind, we will pay attention to dream of "Revelation" posted earlier in ED...and we will try, in the next ten issues to investigate the logic behind the some 100 human manifestations in the flesh of this Angelical Winged-Horse Spirit....and those who have a strong and anxious spiritual appetite are most welcome to visit a new born Site... http://www.crosswinds.net/vaasa/~dragoon/ ....which exposes all the data about the Divine Winged-Horse... <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< G L O B A L D R E A M I N G N E W S February-March 1998 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< This Month's Features: NEWS Interactive Dream Group Beginning An Invitation to Join Email Dream Classes CYBERDREAMS - The new dreaming-related discussion list, for ANYONE interested in dreaming. Dream Intensives with Robert Bosnak Video Games and Dreams Questionnaire Dream Art Exhibition ASD Conference Highlights of Upcoming Events RESEARCH & REQUESTS Paranormal Research Moon Dreams Need Help with Interpretation of Dreams Dreams and Recovery WEBSITE & ONLINE UPDATES DreamScape has moved Spiritwatch Update LATE BREAKING NEWS ASD Art Exhibition: Deadline Moved Jungian Dream Conference in Chicago DREAM CALENDAR for March 1998 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< N E W S <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< Interactive Dream Group Beginning Group Dreaming is when several people attempt to dream about a pre-arranged topic or location. Group Dreaming has ancient roots. It has always occurred naturally: people who are linked closely sometimes have the same dream, or dreams with strikingly similar elements. Group dreams can be an indication of psychic connection. Group dreams are often very interesting, meaningful and helpful for the dreamers. Join Ann Klein in a unique interactive group dreaming project by gathering via e-mail co- creating Group Dreams on specific topics. To participate, visit Interactive Dreaming's Group Dream website at www.dreamcd.com/cdgrp.htm and sign up by email . Once a month everyone will receive an intention statement by email to help focus the group dream . All participants will use the intention statement and a special graphic placed at the website to focus dreams intensively for the first seven days of the month. Everyone will log any dreams that lean in the direction of the group intention, plus intuitive hits on their significance . Dreams and comments will be emailed to Ann Klein, the coordinator, and she will compile all of the submissions and post the results to the website. Then, she'll e-mail a synopsis of the month's results, along with the Group Dream intention statement for the next month. An Invitation to Join Email Dream Classes Dear Dreamers, We invite you to join our email classes and expand your knowledge of dreams. All course work is distributed via email and self- paced. New classes start every month. *Psychic-Creative Dreaming* and *The History of Dream Sharing* by Linda Lane Magall¢n by Richard Wilkerson. $20.00/16 lessons $29.99/20 lessons + Dream Groups Thank you, Linda and Richard ---------------------------------------------- *Psychic-Creative Dreaming* To discover the world of deliberate dreamers and become knowledgeable about leading edge exploration, you are invited to take the *Psychic-Creative Dreaming* email course. The course includes well-researched information and Dream Aerobics exercises. This is the second year it is being offered to dreamers, in a new, up-to-date version. When you finish the course, you will have a strong understanding of intentional dreaming, psychic dreaming, social dreaming and the creative nature of dreams. You will be ready to join the fun with other dreamers in the proactive dreaming community at the Fly-By-Night Club web site. Fly-By-Night Club hosts individual experiments and group dreaming projects. Folks who participate may have their dreams posted at either of the sites that support such dreams: http://members.aol.com/caseyfleyer/fbnc/fbnc01.htm (Fly-By-Night Club) http://members.aol.com/dreampsi/archive/index.htm (DreamPsi Archive) For further information about fees, prerequisites, course contents, author data and Internet backup, please see the Fly-By- Night Club web site or email Linda Lane Magall¢n at caseyflyer@aol.com ---------------------------------------------- *From Ancient Thrace to Cyberspace, The History of Dream Sharing* This course will trace the fabulous development of dream sharing and interpretation from aboriginal cultures through postmodern Cyberspace. Participants will be given tools in each class to put variations of these techniques to work in partner and peer relationship settings. These techniques may also be used for the exploration of the meaning and value of the participant's own dreams. Each approach will open a different window on the dream's meaning and add to the spectrum of the participant's interpretive and exploratory skills in general. Find the dream secrets under Sigmund Freud's couch, participate in Carl Jung's path to wholeness and healing, break through the mundane with the Surrealists, act out the dream dramas with Gestalt, understand the science as well as the spiritual aspects of dreaming, uncover the past and the use of dreams in ancient and aboriginal cultures, step into the ability to have lucid dreams, get the scoop on the dream movement sweeping the country and globe, learn the newest techniques in dreaming and how they are unfolding on the Internet in dream sharing communities. For further information about fees, prerequisites, course contents, author data, Internet backup and on-line registration, please see www.dreamgate.com/class Or email Richard Wilkerson at class@dreamgate.com ++++++++++++REMOVAL NOTICE++++++++++++ *Fly-By-Night Club* supports proactive dreaming under Partnership Paradigm values. Our projects highlight mutual, psychic, group, lucid and creative dreams. *DreamGate* acts as a resource center of dream information and a "gate" to the myriad opportunities available in dream cyberspace. *Fly-By-Night Club* and *DreamGate* provide announcements of dream projects and experiments and other dream information as a public service to the dream community. If you prefer not to receive our mailings, please accept our apologies. You will be promptly removed from our mailing list by contacting CaseyFlyer@aol.com Thank you, Linda Lane Magall¢n Richard Catlett Wilkerson CYBERDREAMS - The new dreaming-related discussion list, for ANYONE interested in dreaming. Cyberdreams is a new list available to those who would like to ask questions and discuss dreaming-related topics. It is *not* a place to send specific individual dreams for group exploration (if you would like to do this, send an email to Linley Joy at: maidai@webplus.co.uk and say "Please send me information about the online Dream Groups".) Cyberdreams is an informal place, and is open to anyone that is interested in dreams and dreaming. It is an experimental and flexible list, and over time will hopefully evolve into a rich and interesting online environment. For more information, email Linley Joy at maidai@webplus.co.uk. Dream Intensives with Robert Bosnak Interested in working with the consciousness techniques of dream author Robert Bosnak ("Tracks in the Wilderness of Dreaming")? Two intensives are coming up in Sudbury, Massachusetts April 16- 19, and May 7-10 and are open to anyone interested in dreamwork. These intensives, by means of actual group dreamwork, will provide the participants with tools for an engagement with dreaming. The groups will explore ways to: identify patterns of resistance; use self-observation by the dreamworker to assess atmospheres in the dream; understand thematic developments in the dreams of groups ; increase abilities to contain paradoxical emotions; stimulate awareness outside of the boundaries of habitual consciousness, and explore ways to incubate dreams so they may respond directly to issues participants wish to work on. 12 participants maximum. For more information, contact rbosnak@mindspring.com Video Games and Dreams Questionnaire Dear Friends, I am currently writing a chapter for an edited book on the psychology of the internet. In this chapter I am theorizing about the potential relationship between virtual reality experiences with varying degrees of immersion and the development of higher states of consciousness. I would like your cooperation with a preliminary research study examining the relationship between video game playing and a variety of experiences of altered states of consciousness especially lucid dreaming. Please fill out the questionnaire below and e-mail it to Dr. Jayne Gackenbach at jgackenb@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca.. I will send you a brief essay summarizing what I think the nature of the relationship is by return e-mail. There are three components to this questionnaire. In the first part I ask you some basic demographic information while the second part has a variety of questions regarding your video game playing history/experiences. The last part of the questionnaire regards your dream and related altered states of consciousness history and experiences. All information will be kept confidential with no specific names or identities mentioned. Please pass this along to anyone who you think might be interested in participating in the study. Thanks for your help. Jayne Gackenbach, Ph.D. Curriculum vitae is at http://www.sawka.com/agent/Gackenbachj On-line papers related to higher states of consciousness are at: http://www.sawka.com/spiritwatch Part 1. Demographic Information 1. Sex: a. Male b. Female 2. Age: a. less than 16 years old b. 16 to 19 years old c. 20 to 29 years old d. 30 to 39 years old e. 40 to 49 years old f. 50 to 59 years old g. 60 to 69 years old h. 70 to 79 years old i. 80 or older 3. Primary Relationship Status: a. Married b. Divorced/Separated c. Widow(er) d. Engaged e. Living With f. Have a boy/girl friend but relationship does not fit in one of above categories g. Single (currently not in a relationship) 4. Number of children: a. none b. one c. two d. three e. four f. five g. six or more 5. Education: a. did not/have not completed high school b. high school diploma c. some technical training/two year diploma d. in first two years of college/university e. in last two years of college f. finished a college/university degree g. some graduate study/currently enrolled h. craftsman/craftswoman i. masters degree j. doctoral degree k. professional degree 6. Occupation: __________________ 7. Primary Ethnic Background: _______________________ Part 2: Video Games Habits/Experiences 1. How many days in a week do you typically play video games? a. less than once a week b. one c. two d. three e. four f. five g. six h. seven 2. If you typically play less than once a week, please estimate the frequency of your play per month; otherwise go on to question #4? a. less than once a month b. once a month c. twice a month d. three times a month 3. If you typically play less than once a month, please estimate the frequency of your play per year, or go on to question #4? a. less than once a year or never b. one to three times a year c. four to six times a year d. seven to nine times a year e. ten or 11 times a year 4. How long is your typical playing session? a. less than 15 minutes b. greater than 15 minutes but less than an hour c. one to two hours d. two to four hours e. four to six hours f. six to eight hours g. eight to 10 hours h. over 10 hours 5. Please list your five favorite games? _______________________ 6. Which setting do you most typically play in? a. arcade b. home c. friends house d. computers in an internet cafe/gaming store e. other ______________ 7. Who do you typically play with? a. alone b. alone but on the net or by modem with others c. with a friend near by who may or may not be playing but is involved in the activity to some extent 8. How many different video games in any formats have you played to date? a. none b. one c. two - five d. six to ten e. ten to 20 f. 20 to 50 g. 50 to 100 h. over 100 9. How old were you when you played your first video game? a. before kindergarten b. kindergarten to grade 1 c. grade 2 to grade 4 d. grade 5 to grade 6 e. junior high school f. high school g. young adulthood/post secondary school h. middle adulthood (30 to 50 years old) i. late adulthood (over 50) j. never played a video game 10. How old were you when you hit your peak frequency of video game play? a. before kindergarten b. kindergarten to grade 1 c. grade 2 to grade 4 d. grade 5 to grade 6 e. junior high school f. high school g. young adulthood/post secondary school h. middle adulthood (30 to 50 years old) i. late adulthood (over 50) j. never played a video game Part 3. Dream and Related Phenomena Habits/Experiences 1. How many dreams do you recall on the average per MONTH? a. less than 1 b. between 1 and 2 c. between 2 and 4 d. between 4 and 10 e. between 10 and 20 f. between 20 and 35 g. between 35 and 70 h. more than 70 per month 2. Have you ever kept a dream diary/journal? a. yes b. no 3. If yes, for how long? a. less than a year b. between 1 and 2 years c. between 2 and 5 years d. between 5 and 10 years e. over 10 years 4. Check one of the following regarding your experience with and interest in prayer. a. no experience, no interest b. no experience, moderate interest c. no experience, very interested d. some experience, no interest e. some experience, moderate interest f. some experience, very interested g. currently regularly praying 5. Check one of the following regarding your experience with and interest in meditation. a. no experience, no interest b. no experience, moderate interest c. no experience, very interested d. some experience, no interest e. some experience, moderate interest f. some experience, very interested g. currently regularly meditating 6. How important is religion/spirituality in your life? a. very important b. moderately important c. mildly important d. not at all important For the remainder of this part of the assignment you will be told about a variety of experiences of consciousness during sleeping and waking. You will be asked to estimate how frequently you have had them, when your first experience occurred and then to give an illustration of each experience. If you are unsure, just give your best estimate. SLEEP EXPERIENCE 1: Most of us don't realize that we are dreaming until we wake up. Some people, however, do realize that they are dreaming while still in the dream. You might, for example, dream that you are visiting a home of a friend. Suddenly the dream becomes "lucid" and you are aware of the fact that you are dreaming while you are still in the dream. You do not wake up, but attend to your surroundings with curiosity. You may be able to exert some control over what happens in the dream such as changing the setting or deciding to fly or make a scene disappear. Total number of such experiences in the last year: a. less than 1 b. between 1 and 2 c. between 2 and 4 d. between 4 and 10 e. between 10 and 20 f. between 20 and 35 g. between 35 and 70 h. more than 70 Age of first experience _____ years old. Please give an example below of a lucid dream: SLEEP EXPERIENCE 2: A nightmare which is bizarre, irrational and disturbing that you can recall clearly and in detail upon awakening. Negative emotions are associated with this experience. Total number of such experiences in the last year: a. less than 1 b. between 1 and 2 c. between 2 and 4 d. between 4 and 10 e. between 10 and 20 f. between 20 and 35 g. between 35 and 70 h. more than 70 Age of first experience _____ years old. Please give an example below of a nightmare: SLEEP EXPERIENCE 3: An experience at night where you awake in a state of panic, without recall of a dream or the memory of having awakened. This is most likely to occur in the first hour or two of the night and is called a night terror. Total number of such experiences in the last year: a. less than 1 b. between 1 and 2 c. between 2 and 4 d. between 4 and 10 e. between 10 and 20 f. between 20 and 35 g. between 35 and 70 h. more than 70 Age of first experience _____ years old. Please give an example below of a night terror: SLEEP EXPERIENCE 4: Occasionally people have dreams that carry a sense of importance, awe and fascination. They may be reminiscent of mythology, or fairy tales, or be felt to have a religious/spiritual significance. This type of dream may still be remembered years later. Such dreams can carry with them a deep sense of significance to one's life either on a personal level and/or on a broader level. Total number of such experiences in the last year: a. less than 1 b. between 1 and 2 c. between 2 and 4 d. between 4 and 10 e. between 10 and 20 f. between 20 and 35 g. between 35 and 70 h. more than 70 Age of first experience _____ years old. Please give an example below of this type of dream: WAKE EXPERIENCE 1: Occasionally people may experience a sense of being above their body and looking down on it from a different vantage point. This experience could be fleeting, or it could continue for some time and has been called an "out-of-body" experience. Total number of such experiences in the last year: a. less than 1 b. between 1 and 2 c. between 2 and 4 d. between 4 and 10 e. between 10 and 20 f. between 20 and 35 g. between 35 and 70 h. more than 70 Age of first experience _____ years old. Please give an example below of an out-of-body experience: WAKE EXPERIENCE 2: During waking you may experience a sense of oneness and unity in all things, along with experiences of awe, bliss, and/or wonder. Sometimes this involves a sensation of melting or fusing with one's surroundings, feelings of being overwhelmed by a sense of love or compassion. Some of these experiences can be very hard to put into words. Total number of such experiences in the last year: a. less than 1 b. between 1 and 2 c. between 2 and 4 d. between 4 and 10 e. between 10 and 20 f. between 20 and 35 g. between 35 and 70 h. more than 70 Age of first experience _____ years old. Please give an example below of this experience: WAKE EXPERIENCE 3: During waking you may experience knowledge of someone else's thought or actions at a distance. You have no possible rational explanation for how this is possible, or precognition: that is, knowing what will happen in the future but with no possible basis in ordinary anticipating. This might include seeing unusual phenomena, which other people may not be able to see. Total number of such experiences in the last year: a. less than 1 b. between 1 and 2 c. between 2 and 4 d. between 4 and 10 e. between 10 and 20 f. between 20 and 35 g. between 35 and 70 h. more than 70 Age of first experience _____ years old. Please give an example below of this experience: Dream Art Exhibition The annual dream art exhibition at the ASD conference is seeking submissions. Original works in any medium inspired by or related to dreams are eligible for entry. Deadline for submissions to the Juried Art Show is March 31, 1998. Contact Richard Russo for an entry form. E-mail rr@well.com, or write 835 Peralta Avenue, Berkeley, CA 94707-1818. ASD Conference Highlights of Upcoming Events More detailed information on the upcoming ASD conference in June 1998 in Hawaii can be found at www.asdreams.org and www.dreamtree.com/News/upcoming.htm. Some of the exciting speakers, workshops and events include: Presidential Address Kelly Bulkeley, Ph.D. Masculine Fragments of a History of Dreaming. The Last Dreams of Socrates. The counterpart to last year's address, Feminine Fragments of a History of Dreaming, will focus on the fascinating dreams of Socrates. President-Elect Address Patricia Garfield, Ph.D. The Universal Dreams Dr. Garfield will discuss how, despite variations, certain dream themes exist across time, and what their motifs mean for our personal dream life and the ASD. Tore A. Nielsen, Ph.D. Stimulating Dreams This presentation will cover new results from a study of dream content which used an innovative home dream experimentation method. Jayne Gackenbach, Ph.D. Dreams and Non-Local Consciousness This wide-ranging presentation will refer to aspects of lucidity/witnessing, Native Americans, UFO's, and chaos theory as theoretical connectivity. Michele Stephen, Ph.D. Dreams and Creativity in New Guinea and Bali Dr. Stephen, an Australian anthropologist, will present reflections from several years of field work in New Guinea and her last four years in the Balinese Pengosekan Community of Artists where she studied how dreams are used in this culture's creative pursuits. Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche Tibetan Yoga of Dream and Sleep Tenzin is a Tibetan Lama who is a master of the Bon Dzogchen tradition, and founder of the Ligmincha Institute for the Study of Religions and Cultures of Tibet. His presentation will discuss how sleep and dreams are viewed in his culture. INVITED WORKSHOPS: Luh Ketut Suryani, DSJ Meditation as a Technique for Self-Healing in Dreams Dr. Suryani, is a physician and psychiatrist who maintains a strong connection to her former practice as a traditional healer. She will discuss her interesting theory about sleep and personality and demonstrate the mediative approach she uses to provide connections to special spiritual and healing states in dreams. Henry Reed, Ph.D. Dream Divination: The Synchronicity and Parapsychology of Interpretation Dr. Reed, the "grandfather of the popular dream movement" created Sundance: The Community Dream Journal. He will demonstrate a method of dream divination and interpretation in which the unconscious communication among participants may be considered to represent intuition, synchronicity, or parapsychological events. OVERALL PROGRAM CONTENT The program is filled with a magnificent array of topics reflecting the diversity of presenters from India, Tibet, Korea, Bali, Australia, New Zealand, United States, Canada, England, Scotland, Holland, Belgium, Germany, Poland, Finland, and Denmark. There will be a total of 52 papers divided into the following eleven groupings: Content Analysis Studies; Sleep and Dream Patterns; Dreams and Physical Trauma; The Dreaming Brain; Using Computers for Personal Dreamwork; Applied Aspects of Group Dreamwork; Cross-Cultural Studies of Dreams; Significant Dreams; Interface Between Dreams and Society; Twilight Zone of Dreams; and Psychoanalytic Interpretation of Specimen Dreams. A total of 35 workshops will be presented with such topics and techniques as: color in dreams; number symbols in dreams; connecting with spirit; hypnotic journeying; graphopoetic dreamwork; photography; dance; body mapping; drawing; psycho- drama; mandala drawing; collage; music; and special sounds including Tibetan bowls and drums. A variety of theoretical approaches using methods from Freud, Jung, Adler, Perls, Ullman, and the Senoi will be offered. There will be two symposia presentations: one dealing with Resolving Adult Nightmares and Related Trauma, and another dealing with Nightmares and Childhood Trauma. There will be a panel discussion on Long Term Journaling, Meaning and Significance, and Predicting Dreamer's Life Circumstances. Among general events will be a creative art project on the beach, a documentary film on the Senoi, a viewing of Star Trek, a slide presentation of body imagery and dreams, a presentation of humor as a resource in a Congressional dream group in Washington, DC, and demonstrations of computer programs for indexing dream journals. Commercial Products: The display, distribution, and selling of all dream-related commercial products will be coordinated by ASD Main Office, P.O. Box 1600, Vienna, VA222183 Phone: (703)-242- 0062 Fax:(703)-242-8888 All questions and requests for display should be directed to Kellee by April 1, 1998. ASD prefers that individuals bring their own products. Some exceptions will be made in the case of books. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< R E S E A R C H & R E Q U E S T S <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< Paranormal Research Are you having dreams that fall into this category? Your experiences are needed in the fields of UFO Sightings, Abductions, ESP, Near Death Experiences, Miracles and all other like fields of the paranormal. Your Experiences will be recorded and many will be published will the completion of this research. We are asking that you write down your experiences in great detail and mail them to Research, P.O. Box # 6, Shoreham, N.Y. 11786 Moon Dreams I am doing a project on the way the moon affects how we dream. I need participants to tell me exact dates on when you had your dreams and also an exact recount of what happened. Also whether there were elements of fire, earth, air or water in your dream, and the way you felt. Any dreams can be sent, I just need input, thanks moffatt@pnc.com.au Need Help with Interpretation of Dreams I am writing a persuasive report on the interpretation of dreams and their meaning(s). I would be appreciative of any information you could send me on the subject. If it is not possible, please write, for I do not have access to Internet very often. Thank you for your help and understanding. Write to West Salem High School, C/O Andrea Glick , 405 East Hamlin, West Salem, WI 54669 Dreams and Recovery My name is Steve Pilgram and I am doing some research on Dreams and the recovery process. I would like to hear from any person involved in addiction recovery who can contribute dreams, pieces of dreams, whatever that for them is attributed as being connected to the practice of their addiction or associated with their process of recovery. I would be interested in any comments and/or interpretations of how the submitted dream is related to their addiction although this is not a requirement to submit a dream. I would also be interested to know if anyone in the recovery process at any stage would be interested in answering a questionnaire I'm working on involving the identification of recovery themes in dreams. Pilgrams@ix.netcom.com <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< W E B S I T E & O N L I N E U P D A T E S <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< DreamScape has moved DreamScape has a new address at: http://www.mikrob.com/mikia/dreamscape.dreamscape.html Spiritwatch Update http://www.sawka.com/spiritwatch/ Spiritwatch has just opened a discussion area and have posted 20 articles from the 10th anniversary issue of Lucidity Letter. The name "Spiritwatch" is used to speak to the theme of this site which is a watchfulness focused on experiences of a spiritual nature. This watchfulness is in many of the papers a function of the scientific method or classical scholarship but not always. Sometimes it exemplifies the watchfulness of the observer. This can be from careful first person accounts, from a cultural perspective, or from the perspective of the development of higher states of consciousness. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<< L A T E B R E A K I N G N E W S <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< Jungian Dream Conference April 23-26 The Sphinx's Simile: Plumbing the Mystery of the Dream Presenters include: Michael Meade Robert Van de Castle Robert Bosnak J. Allan Hobson Ann Belford Ulanov Marion Woodman June Singer Susan Hecker Kennieth James Julia jewett Nancy Dougherty And many more! C. G. Jung Institute of Chicago 1567 Maple Avenue, Evanston, Illinois 60201 USA 847.475.4848 - 800.697.7679 - FAX 847.475.4970 jung@jungchicago.org http://www.jungchicago.org 847-475-4848 /800-697-7679 Jung@jungchicago.org <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< D R E A M C A L E N D A R <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< Mar 6-8 in Houston, TX Dream Workshop with Jeremy Taylor. Contact Barbara More at 713- 524-8253 for more information. Mar 9 in Grand Island, NY "Dreams, Stress, and Spiritual Healing" with Kelly Bulkley,. 5:30-7:30 pm Daemen College. For Information Call (510)-773-9586. Mar 11and 25 in Pittsburgh, PA "The Dream Workshop", 7:00 pm, 4836 Ellsworth Avenue (Friends Meeting House). For more information, call Cynthia Pearson at 241-7885 or email netcadet@nauticom.net Mar 29 in Lafayette, CA "Working with our Earliest Childhood Dreams" , 10 am-4 pm Association for the Study of Dreams Regional Meeting with Alan Siegel and Kelly Bulkeley, authors of Dreamcatching: Every Parents Guide to Understanding and Exploring Children's Dreams and Nightmares. For Information Call (510) -528-0226) Mar 25-Apr 3 in Mexico Mayan Dreaming Retreat and Shamanic Training In the Yucatan with Ariadne Green. For more information call: (800) 839-3317 or (505) 758-9356 or email: ariadne@dreamthread.com, or write to DreamThread InterActive, Box 5842NDCBU, Taos, NM 87571. Mar 27-29 in Long Island, NY Dream Workshop with Jeremy Taylor. Contact Barry Andrews at 516- 627-6560 for more information. Mar 28 in San Jose, CA "Gateways to Self Discovery: Dreams and Shamanic Journey" (facilitated by Gina Pearlin, Masha Fellman, and Deborah May), 10:00am - 4:00 pm. For information and registration, contact The Center for Spiritual Enlightenment. Phone: (408) 244-5151. E- mail: cse@best.com. 31 Mar Deadline for submitting entries for the ASD's 15th annual conference Dream Art Show. Contact Richard Russo for an entry form. E-mail rr@well.com, or write 835 Peralta Avenue, Berkeley, CA 94707-1818. Apr 1 in Santa Rosa, CA "Know Yourself Through Dreams" -- a lecture by Betty Bethards at The Luther Burbank Center East Auditorium, 50 Mark West Springs. For more information, call 707-765-2200. Apr 2 in San Francisco, CA "Know Yourself Through Dreams" -- a lecture by Betty Bethards at First Unitarian Universalist Church, 1187 Franklin at Geary. For more information, call 707-765-2200. Apr 4-5 in Portland, OR "Dreaming Insights," a two-day dreamwork intensive with Gillian Holloway , offered at Marylhurst College. College credit available. For information call: 360-694-0201 Apr 7 in Walnut Creek, CA "Know Yourself Through Dreams" -- a lecture by Betty Bethards at Heather Farm Garden, 1540 Marchbanks Drive. For more information, call 707-765-2200. Apr 7- May 26 in Concord, MA Dreamwheel I. Personal Transformation through Dreamwork, Ramsay Raymond, MA, MHC. Eight Tuesdays, 7-10PM. $320. For more information, contact The Dreamwheel 191 Sudbury Road, Concord, MA 01742-3423. E-mail: Dreamwheel@compuserve.com. Tel & Fax: (978) 369-2634 Apr 8 in Marin, CA "Know Yourself Through Dreams" -- a lecture by Betty Bethards at Marin civic Center Showcase Theater, Avenue of the Flags. For more information, call 707-765-2200. Apr 9-20 in Portland, Oregon "Active Intuition and Dreams" a four week workshop is being offered through Portland Community College. Facilitator: Gillian Holloway For information call: 360-694-0201 or email gholloway@lifetreks.com April 15 - 26, in Bali "Dream work Amid the art and culture of Bali" -- For more information call or fax Dr. Ingegerd Hansson at +46-650-13188 or Wendy Pannier c/o Dream Appreciation. Apr 16-19 in Sudbury, MA Dream Intensive with Robert Bosnak. For more information, contact rbosnak@mindspring.com Apr 26 in Tiburon, CA "Working with our Earliest Childhood Dreams" with Kelly Bulkeley. 1-4 pm, Tiburon UCC Church . For more information, call 510-528- 0226. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ == D R E A M S S E C T I O N == ED V5 N2 == ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** D R E A M S SECTION INDEX BY BOB K. (For ED V5 N2) Hi there! Welcome to ELECTRIC DREAMS - DREAMS SECTION for Vol. 5 Number 2 - February 1998. Hi there amigos! This month starts off with a lengthier editorial than usual which touches on dreams and their meaning. Many comments on previous issue dreams are included this month. There are several new repetitive dream examples, several dreams which show traces in Waking reality, a shared dream, multiple birth dreams, death dreams and complex relationship stories. We even have feedback from a reader on a dream related waking reality Presidents day experience. This issue also marks the first time we have more text on commentary than for the dreams themselves. What a great opportunity to learn about dreams. The down side is that much of the commentary is coming from one person with a rich background in dreams and symbols, but whose approach and ultimate theory of the meanings of dreams the readers may not agree with. In Electric Dreams we strive to give all dreamers and commentators a chance to share their dreams and insight with others. An opportunity to expand the exposure of dreams or comments to enrich the lives of all involved is part of our mission. We don't want this ezine to become a one person vehicle or a crusade for a particular belief. In fact, one political personal crusade submitted as a comment on a museum picture with dream like images did not make this issue. Its focus was not on dreams, but on a political agenda. As long as the messages have a predomonantly clear relationship to dreams and dream knowledge, I think it's appropriate to include a submission. There has been some grumbling on our Ed-Core list about the length and tone of the recent submissions from DrD. I am sure many of you will find some commentary too lengthy, complicated and biased; however, for this issue at least, an already abridged version of a unique point of view is at your disposal. If you don't like it, you have the choice not to read it. If paper is at a premium, consider reading through this section online before printing it or print just selected portions. Send me an E-mail if you have strong feelings or thoughts on this issue one way or another. DrD's [not a medical Dr., nor dispensing prescriptions endorsed by ED] comments express his point of view and should be seen in that light. We are dream appreciators of a vast panorama which includes divergent points of view. Want to see a different slant next month? Send in your dream or commentary on a dream by the 15th of March to bobkrum@erols.com or to the www.dreamgate.com dream temple area. Enjoy your visit to the pages of Electric Dreams. NEW CATEGORIES: EDITORIAL: CAESAR'S DREAM - CONTEXT AND RELATIONSHIPS IN DREAMS THANKS FEEDBACK FROM THE DREAMERS == Commentary by BrienH on "If it were my dream" (980221)= == President's Day 1998= COMMENTARY ON DREAMS FROM PREVIOUS ISSUES == Commentary by Brien H. on Third Eye Dream - then I said "what" by BrienH (980202)== == Commentary by DrD on Third Eye Dream (980213) == == Commentary by DrD on Worped! (980211)== == Commentary by DrD on Twos and Threes by Sequence (980211)== == Commentary by DrD on Pregnancy (980211)== ** Dream: The Woman and The Dog by ??** ** Dream: The Woman, The Dog and The Horse by ??** NEW DREAMS: PRECOGNITIVE/FUTURE DREAMS [Stories from past experiences, or send them in before it happens, if you can] REPETITIVE DREAMS [Significant by nature] ** Dream : Three Repetitive Dreams by Thea (980203)** ** Dream: reoccurring dreams by ? (980205)** == Commentary by DrD on Thea's and Reoccurring Deaths Dreams' (980212)== ** Dream: "If I only had a brain!" submitted by corpus jean on 7/23/97.** ** Dream: 3 Symbol Dream by E (980211)** == Commentary on 3 Symbol Dream by the Dreamer E (980211) == == Commentary by DrD on 3 Symbols Dream (980211) == ** Dream 1: "On the field of glory" Posted by GF (971204) ** == Commentary by DrD on Field of Glory == ** Dream 2: Entrance to Tibet (XXXXXX) ** == Commentary by DrD on Tibet == ** Dream 3: "Father of the Other World" by (XXXXXX) ** == Commentary by DrD on Father of Other Worlds == DREAM TRACES IN WAKING LIFE [The effects of external stimuli on our dreams or is it the other way around - our dreams leaving a trace on our physical reality?] ** Dream: Radio noise awakens dreamer by (80210)** == Commentary by DrD on Radio noise awakens dreamer (980210)== ** Dream: Auditory Dream submitted by flyingeagle (970502)** ** Dream: 'Foaming at the Mouth'by Monster (980209)** == Commentary by DrD on Foaming at the Mouth (980222)== ** Dream: from DrD- white horses Posted by Marina (980105)** DEFYING CLASSIFICATION [Your stumpers may not be so mysterious to others] ** Dream: mother and daughter share bad dream by VQ (980212)* == Commentary by DrD on Victoria's "Shared Dream"== = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = LINKS TO STAGES OF LIFE BIRTH [Starts] ** Dream: Buddha Baby by IO (980202)** == Commentary by DrD on Heavenly Lucky Charms of the Buddha Baby! (980204)== == Commentary by Heratheta on buddah dream (980204) == ** Dream: Wind&Baby Posted by LV (981106)** == Commentary by DrD on Wind Baby (980222)== CHILDHOOD [Early development] ADOLESCENCE [Maturing, testing] ADULTHOOD [The main event for most] OLD AGE [Wisdom, Approaching the Journeys end] DEATH [Endings] ** Dream: "Killings"...by Big Shot(980204/05)** COMMUNICATION WITH THE DEAD [Beyond our terrestrial limits] ========================================== ========================================== AGGRESSION [By us or against us- crossing others paths] ** Dream: this dream is weird by ? (980216)** == Commentary by DrD on Weird Dream (980221) == ALIENS [Visitors or visited - creatures from other dimensions] ** Dream: I was abducted by barney by ? (980219)** == Commentary by DrD on Barney Dream (980222)== ** Dream: Pins and Needles Posted by Tracy (970629)** AMUSEMENT PARK [A place to relax and enjoy, another reality] ANGELS [Visitors from Spiritual dimensions] ANIMALS [Basic Instincts] [This month brings us: deer, and white and black horses, ] ** Dream: Deer Social by Nutcracker (980218)** == Commentary by DrD on Deer Social.... Big "Trinitarian" == == Comments by Nutcracker on DrD on 'Deer Social' (980221)== BATHROOMS [Maintenance, Cleansing and Elimination] BELONGING [What we are associated with or wish we were] BRIDGES [How we get across an obstacle or go from here to there] CELEBRITIES [The well known - famous and infamous] CLOTHING [What we wear tells us about ourselves and the events we participate in] COMEDY [With an accent on puns, funny situations or jokes] COMMUNICATIONS [From telepathic to devices to signs & symbols] COMPUTERS [Extensions of our minds, mind tools, communication] CULTS [Somewhere out there ...] DIRECTIONS [Ever stop and ask for directions? North, South, East, West, up, down, ahead, behind, straight, turn, right, left, make a circle, cross, go through, open, close, mix, add, boil, cook, simmer, but most of all - follow these instructions carefully...and don't be shy about asking someone else down the path, except, of course, for the Big Bad Wolf!!!] ==Commentary by Heratheta on norway drm sex drm, chopped off dream, &broadcast drm (980212)== ==Commentary by Heratheta on weird drm & deer drm (980219)== ==Commentary by Heratheta on wave&picture dream,car thief&movie dreamer (980206) = DISCOVERY [New insights and unexpected developments] DREAMING [Dreams about dreaming] DRUGS [Healing or Hurting?] EATING [Getting nourishment for maintenance, growth and pleasure] ELEVATORS [Going UP or DOWN - Push the right button or else...] ESCAPE [Get me outta here!!!] EYES [The organs of sight...the window to the soul...] FEAR [What scares us] (See Foaming at the Mouth under DREAM TRACES IN WAKING LIFE) FOOD [The source of our physical nourishment] FIRE [Flames bring light, heat and destruction/transformation] FLYING [Confidence, Power, Freedom & Perspective] GIFTS [Offerings to or from others] HOBBIES [Our interests and desires]- COLLECTING THINGS HOLIDAYS [Time off to ...] HOSPITAL [A place for treatment, healing and repair] HOUSE [Where our lives take place] HOTELS [Temporary Dwelling or Special Event location] JOURNEYS [Missions away from our home base -explorations] (See Yard Sales...under NUDITY) LOST [Disorientation or abandonment] LOTTERY DREAMS [Sudden Wealth - Randomness favors the dreamer] LOVE [All around us, yet so hard to find and keep] LUCID DREAMING [Knowing you are Dreaming when you are Dreaming] MEMORY [Remembering ...In dreams we often struggle with the issue of memories and remembering a dream which by definition involves the process of recollection.] MIRRORS [Reflection of Self] MUSIC [Melodies of the land within] NUDITY [What you see is what you get] **Dream: What does yard sales have to do with being naked? By ? (980219)** PERFORMERS [Entertainers] PROBLEMS [Situations or difficulties sometimes present choices] POLITICAL SCENE [Public issues through positions of power] RELATIONSHIPS [Other parts of ourselves including family which constitutes the first and earliest of our relationships, often influencing how we relate to the outside world] ** Dream: Not-at-Work sex affair...by ? (980210)** == Commentary by DrD on the Not at work sex affair (980224)== ** Dream: the man from the basement by StanK (980215)** RELIGIOUS RELATED [The Ritual and the Spiritual] == Commentary by DrD on Supple-mental "Transfigurations" Tai-Chi Katas...(980217)== ** Dream: "Father of the Other World" ** ROMANCE [Thrills and Chills, lost in another] SCHOOL THEMES [Learning and learning related trials] SOLUTIONS [The answers to problems or quandaries] STAIRS [Bridges between levels, between the upper and the lower] TEETH [Ok, losing teeth is one of the top ten dreams people have questions on. Theories on what they mean range all over the spectrum of possibilities.] TORNADOS [Pretty well defined destructive power of nature] TRAPPED [Temporarily helpless- Sometimes we are paralyzed or imprisoned by jobs, relationships or expectations] VEHICLES [Means of transportation, reflection of lifestyle] WATER [A magical earthly fluid, nourishment, cleansing] WORKPLACE [Where we make a living] WRITING & WRITERS [Communication and creativity] = = = = = = = = = = = == DREAM SERIES (None this month ...unless you consider the DrD commentary as a series) = = = = = = = = = = = == NEW CATEGORIES: (None this month) EDITORIAL: CAESAR'S DREAM - CONTEXT AND RELATIONSHIPS IN DREAMS Dreams remain a source of mystery and wonder in our lives. There are many theories and approaches to dream appreciation and dream interpretation. They range from the belief that dreams are insignificant and have no meaning whatsoever to their having complex multilevel meanings not only for the dreamer but for those who the dream touches in one way or another. I received the following message this month which I will use as the basis for this months Editorial: Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 16:52:17 -0500 To: bobkrum@erols.com Subject: Caesar's Dream: Greetings Bob Krum: Could I prevail on you to analyze the following dream. Before Caesar crossed the Rubicon, he dreamt that he slept incestuously with his mother. What is the meaning of this dream? Thanking you in advance for your interpretation, Regards, Rob Lewis Well, what a simple request. However, as is true in some dreams and many waking life experiences, the context and unstated implications of the request are of far greater interest and meaning than the question or event itself. First of all, I am honored by the fact that someone might want to have my opinion on a dream. I have been studying dreams since my childhood and have tried to learn as much about the topic as possible within the context of my life journey. I enjoy sharing what little I know with interested parties. However, the authority on any persons dream and their personal meaning is the dreamer and only the dreamer. Others can contribute different perspectives and help the dreamer expand the possibilities of meaning for the dream. The individual dreamer is the only one who can accept or reject any suggested messages or meanings their dream might generate as a commentary on the dreamer life. However, there is another issue involved. The issue has to do with relationships and the interconnectedness of life. Our actions have consequences that by the very nature of our social existence have an impact beyond the mere confines of our physical bodies. Our lives are involved with our partners, our family, our neighborhood, our schoolmates, our workmates, our churchmates and those of activities who share common interests with us. An action we take certainly has meaning for us, but also has meaning which may be different in degree or kind to those whom our lives touch. A negative comment or a positive gesture often have ripple effects of far greater significance in others life than they carry in our own. Thus an action has a different meaning for a person depending on where that person fits into the broader picture of the action and its context. An event from this year illustrates the point somewhat. The fact is that Princess Diana died after being involved in an automobile accident. This event produced a series of other related events that touched people in different ways. Does this mean that Diana's life or death was significant or insignificant? As with most things in life...it depends. It depends on your knowledge, closeness to Diana physically or emotionally, perspective on life and life conditions. For someone in a remote area of the world with no awareness of the rest of the world, it would seem that the event has no meaning whatsoever. For Diana's children, the meaning is deep, intimate and unforgettable. The point is that just because there was a major impact to one persons life by an event, that does not preclude the possibility that it might impact the lives of others nor does it mandate that every life be affected. What would the dreamer have said about this dream? How do we even know about it? Well I did some research and found that Plutarch in his Lives of *Famous Greeks and Romans* is the source for this story. I am quoting the source in the following paragraphs to help the readers draw their own conclusions. The excerpt starts a paragraph or so before the story and concludes a paragraph after the story: Quote from PLUTARCH: --------------------------------------------------------- There were not about him at that time above three hundred horse and five thousand foot; for the rest of his army, which was left behind the Alps, was to be brought after him by officers who had received orders for that purpose. But he thought the first motion towards the design which he had on foot did not require large forces at present, and that what was wanted was to make this first step suddenly, and so to astound his enemies with the boldness of it; as it would be easier, he thought, to throw them into consternation by doing what they never anticipated than fairly to conquer them, if he had alarmed them by his preparations. And therefore he commanded his captains and other officers to go only with their swords in their hands, without any other arms, and make themselves masters of Ariminum, a large city of Gaul, with as little disturbance and bloodshed as possible. He committed the care of these forces to Hortensius, and himself spent the day in public as a stander-by and spectator of the gladiators, who exercised before him. A little before night he attended to his person, and then went into the hall, and conversed for some time with those be had invited to supper, till it began to grow dusk, when he rose from table and made his excuses to the company, begging them to stay till he came back, having already given private directions to a few immediate friends that they should follow him, not all the same way, but some one way, some another. He himself got into one of the hired carriages,and drove at first another way, but presently turned towards Ariminum. When he came to the river Rubicon, which parts Gaul within the Alps from the rest of Italy, his thoughts began to work, now he was just entering upon the danger, and he wavered much in his mind when he considered the greatness of the enterprise into which he was throwing himself. He checked his course and ordered a halt, while he revolved with himself, and often changed his opinion one way and the other, without speaking a word. This was when his purposes fluctuated most; presently he also discussed the matter with his friends who were about him (of which number Asinius Pollio was one), computing how many calamities his passing that river would bring upon mankind, and what a relation of it would be transmitted to posterity. At last, in a sort of passion, casting aside calculation, and abandoning himself to what might come, and using the proverb frequently in their mouths who enter upon dangerous and bold attempts, "The die is cast" with these words he took the river. Once over,he used all expedition possible, and before it was day reached Ariminum and took it. IT IS SAID THAT THE NIGHT BEFORE HE PASSED THE RIVER HE HAD AN IMPIOUS DREAM, THAT HE WAS UNNATURALLY FAMILIAR WITH HIS OWN MOTHER. [BK- Emphasis added to dream reference] As soon as Ariminum was taken, wide gates, so to say, were thrown open, to let in war upon every land alike and sea, and with the limits of the province, the boundaries of the laws were transgressed. Nor would one have thought that, as at other times, the mere men and women fled from one town of Italy to another in their consternation,but that the very towns themselves left their sites and fled for succour to each other. The city of Rome was overrun, as it were, with a deluge, by the conflux of people flying in from all the neighbouring places. Magistrates could not longer govern, nor the eloquence of any orator quiet it; it was all but suffering shipwreck by the violence of its own tempestuous agitation. The most vehement contrary passions and impulses were at work everywhere. Nor did those who rejoiced at the prospect of the change altogether conceal their feelings, but when they met, as in so great a city they frequently must, with the alarmed and dejected of the other party, they provoked quarrels by their bold expressions of confidence in the event. Pompey, sufficiently disturbed of himself, was yet more perplexed by the clamours of others; some telling him that he justly suffered for having armed Caesar against himself and the government; others blaming him for permitting Caesar to be insolently used by Lentulus,when he made such ample concessions, and offered such reasonable proposals towards an accommodation. Favonius bade him now stamp upon the ground; for once talking big in the senate, he desired them not to trouble themselves about making any preparations for thewar,for that he himself, with one stamp of his foot, would fill all Italy with soldiers. Yet still Pompey at that time had more forces than Caesar; but he was not permitted to pursue his own thoughts, but, being continually disturbed with false reports and alarms, as if the enemy was close upon him and carrying all before him, he gave way and let himself be borne down by the general cry. He put forth an edict declaring the city to be in a state of anarchy, and left it with orders that the senate should follow him,and that no one should stay behind who did not prefer tyranny to their country and liberty. The consuls at once fled, without making even the usual sacrifices; so did most of the senators, carrying off their own goods in as much haste as if they had been robbing their neighbours. --------------------------------------------------------- Could this dream of the prohibited by social mores have had any relation to Caesar's politcial and military plans where the boundaries of the law were being trangressed? Was it mere coincidence that the dreamer was torn by conflicting emotions and thought while so close to taking action of historical proportions? The crossing of the Rubicon into Italy on January 19, 49 B.C. marked the beginning of civil war, and of Julius Caesar's ultimate sole possession of the leadership of the Roman Empire - years before his famous "Veni,vidi,vici" (I came, I saw, I conquered) expedition to Egypt. What do you think? What if we knew nothing of the context of this dream viewing it as an outsider? Did the fact that he had this dream of intimacy with his mother lead inevitably to the crossing of the Rubicon and the conquest of empires? I don't think so. It was one within a series of events which surrounded a complex decision - reflecting the dilemmas of the moment and the circumstances of the period in a metaphorical way. Was not the Rome of the conquest Caesar's *motherland* of sorts? Now what if this dream was dreamt by Caesar my uncle, or Caesar Romero, or Cesar Chavez, or Caesar from the office next door or the Ceaesar in me? What do mothers represent? Where do we come from? What values might be represented? What is sexual intimacy? What are laws? What are traditions and taboos? Would we challenge them if the opportunity arose? Do we want to challenge them? What aspect of the dreamers life could be related to these images? What would Freud think of this imagery? Jung? I think it's not stretching the limits of logic too much to conclude that the same dream would have a different meaning and impact to each person, though some themes would be common and related. A gift of $200.00 has vastly different meaning for a baby, a young child of 10 years, a teenager, a homeless person, someone needing $200.00 to be able to afford a lifetime ambition and a person who is already a millionaire. The $200.00 does not change, but what the $200.00 can do for each person depends on their circumstances. Attempting to assign a fixed meaning on the value of something which can have multiple meanings and values in other ways is an exercise doomed to failure. Rob, by limiting a search for meaning to one rigid fundamental message of equal value to all, you seek the useless. In essence, physically we are just a collection of atoms and molecules, the same atoms and molecules arranged slightly differently according to our genetic inheritance, yet we are not identical to other humans or to other life forms. By studying the implications a dream of another would have if it were ours, exploring the areas it stimulates, and possibly sharing ideas on the problems and solutions uncovered with others, our life and those of others become enriched. Our horizons are expanded as we